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Re: New Gorum Ban Rules EVERYONE READ!

Postby TrollinWitMyHomies » Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:59 pm

I think the sticking point for me is that there is no clear list of guidelines (at least that I'm aware), and they are cited as intuitive or common sense, when I believe they really are not all that intuitive or common sense, for some people.

For instance, I know that we have, forever, posted logs and chats with people in world for critique or as examples of dissatisfaction to give a more concrete view of a situation and let the jury decide (sort of). So, while on one hand, I was told that examples, or even anything hinting at an example, of past issues should not be cited, they are cited all over the boards constantly with no consequence unless another person flags them and makes it a personal thing. Do you see how this kind of thing is really not an objective way to moderate?

In cases that an example may be seen to be alluding to a prior issue on the forums and may be seen as an effort to be inflammatory, I really think a simple PM to the poster to clarify would be most appopriate instead of the flat out assumption that it's meant to inflame, particularly when the example is completely relevant to the topic at hand. I feel that this would prevent a lot of miscommunication and also deter people from flagging everytime they assume something is personal.
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Re: New Gorum Ban Rules EVERYONE READ!

Postby iJudas » Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:42 pm

You have been told, both politely and robustly, how these boards are run. They are run to the owners liking. I do not see how your persistent, yet futile attempts to effect change, by going on and on and on and on about it, will work in your favour.

The Gorums do not revolve around you. Draw a line and walk away from it.
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Re: New Gorum Ban Rules EVERYONE READ!

Postby TrollinWitMyHomies » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:19 pm

Judas,

I think that's a really screwed up position to take. "This is how it is so stfu." Don't have a suggestion forum then if you don't actually want to see anyone's suggestions. I wasn't demanding the forums change, I was asking for clarification, which apart from a little bit in Garrgon's post, I have never received. Sure there were PMs exchanged but they lacked the clarification I'm seeking. It's exactly responses like yours that completely overshadow the promises of objective moderation.

Judas wrote:The Gorums do not revolve around you.


Thank you for confirming the lack of faith I have in you to ever moderate this forum in an even remotely objective manner. :ohgawd:
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Re: New Gorum Ban Rules EVERYONE READ!

Postby Garrgon » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:38 pm

I'll try once more.

Your first concern, which you stated was your only one:
Warnings are issued based on the flags of other users.

I answered this one on page 4.

Your second concern:
I believe that more should be looked at than simply that flagged post.

I answered this too, assuring you that we do look at much more then just the flagged post or the flag itself.

Your third concern:
I think the sticking point for me is that there is no clear list of guidelines (at least that I'm aware), and they are cited as intuitive or common sense, when I believe they really are not all that intuitive or common sense, for some people.

The rules of the forum have been posted and if you want to see a clear list of them, they're still there for your reading enjoyment. You know that, as a forum owner yourself, we can't read every single post that is submitted to the board every day. If you don't flag it, there's a good chance we might not see it. That means that yes, there will be posts that might have qualified for editing or removal that are still there. Yes there will be posts that refer to something that shouldn't be there but are. If we don't see it, it's not getting sorted.

All of this has been explained before but I felt it was worthy of explaining again. However, I'm not a fan of repeating myself. So if you decide to rehash any of the questions I just answered in a way that suggests you haven't been answered at all, then I'm going to step aside and let Judas throw his balls at you again.
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Re: New Gorum Ban Rules EVERYONE READ!

Postby TrollinWitMyHomies » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:57 pm

Garrgon wrote:The rules of the forum have been posted and if you want to see a clear list of them


Where? I've gone through several times and while I see about 6 threads dealing with rules, I've yet to see a list that actually defines for this community what the buzzwords mean.

For instance, what I consider disagreeing, debating and stating my point is clearly consider trolling by some others. I just flagged a post yesterday explaining that to Ceri.

So what do the owners define as trolling, flaming, personal attacks? Also, it would be helpful if someone does get edited or warned, to quote from the actual post in PM the exact point at which the mods felt that the post was detracting from the thread in a way that broke the rules. I really feel that it's like we are reading from different pages here and the frustrating part of it is that I keep getting accused of this shit without any example given to me or any definitions provided.
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Re: New Gorum Ban Rules EVERYONE READ!

Postby Garrgon » Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:35 pm

I don't think we see them much different then anywhere else. Trolling of course is when someone posts with the intent of provoking readers. Flaming is posting insulting or hostile comments about another reader. A personal attack would be just what it sounds like, personally attacking someone.

You're asking how we decide if a flagged post is really one of those? We use our judgement. Really they're pretty obvious when done, don't you think? There is no way for us to make everyone happy. You're not going to always like what we decide. I know that's not the answer you're looking for, but it's the best I can do.

As for having quotes given to you so you know what you said wrong, I'll pass that request along to the Admins.
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Re: New Gorum Ban Rules EVERYONE READ!

Postby Dren Bernard » Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:42 pm

TrollinWitMyHomies wrote:
Judas wrote:The Gorums do not revolve around you.


Thank you for confirming the lack of faith I have in you to ever moderate this forum in an even remotely objective manner. :ohgawd:


So reading this right, you are upset because Judas declares that the forums do not revolve around you, even despite your best efforts? Is this a form of uber-trolling? It sure looks like it with your chosen name and signature.
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Re: New Gorum Ban Rules EVERYONE READ!

Postby TrollinWitMyHomies » Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:52 pm

The forums don't revolve around me. I'm well aware of that and I don't expect them to. My name is what is called humor because it couldn't be further from the truth, actually. It's not like I haven't been here for going on 4 years...I think if I was only here to troll, I wouldn't have lasted that long. Sheesh.

Anyway, thank you for your response Garrgon. I appreciate your approach and I can only hope that it can spread to others on the administration team. I will address this further in PM with you to prevent the super, awesome non-dramatic members on this forum from getting their hands all buttered up with popcorn. :lol:
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Re: New Gorum Ban Rules EVERYONE READ!

Postby Ceri the Urt » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:38 pm

I think the sticking point for me is that there is no clear list of guidelines (at least that I'm aware), and they are cited as intuitive or common sense, when I believe they really are not all that intuitive or common sense, for some people.

For instance, I know that we have, forever, posted logs and chats with people in world for critique or as examples of dissatisfaction to give a more concrete view of a situation and let the jury decide (sort of). So, while on one hand, I was told that examples, or even anything hinting at an example, of past issues should not be cited, they are cited all over the boards constantly with no consequence unless another person flags them and makes it a personal thing. Do you see how this kind of thing is really not an objective way to moderate?

In cases that an example may be seen to be alluding to a prior issue on the forums and may be seen as an effort to be inflammatory, I really think a simple PM to the poster to clarify would be most appopriate instead of the flat out assumption that it's meant to inflame, particularly when the example is completely relevant to the topic at hand. I feel that this would prevent a lot of miscommunication and also deter people from flagging everytime they assume something is personal.


Alright since you couldn't wait until after I was out of the hospital I will give you an answer(again) to the question I can just see you dieing to ask... just not directly.

"Why were you warned and banned for a post that alluded to another post, but in your opinion had nothing to do with the other post while other people on the boards can give examples and post logs without getting a look there way. "

Here is the answer, listen close cause I am on morphine typing on a really small keyboard and I am not entirely sure how this is going to come out.

People post logs and examples on the boards all the time. Those examples are sometimes flagged and the people who flagged it (usually complaining that the example was about them, and thinking that they are "sure" everyone knows it and that the person giving the example is in the wrong and telling the story from their eyes and that it is all a lie) are....wait for it....told to LET IT GO. That they may think everyone knows it is about them, but more then likely until they out themselves, no one really knows...and more so..no one Cares. We also tell them that there is nothing we can do because the other person did not mention names.

Now....

This all Changes when the person outs themself in a post and THEN the other person who gave the example (seeing the person they gave it about out themselves) goes on to defend their side and a fight ensues between the two people over what is no longer a fake story, but a very real one, that is usually stated in vast details both sides telling their stories and fighting about who was right and who is wrong.

Now, this is where your issue comes in. You had a problem with some of the posters. They outed themselves, fight ensues, both sides told, Admin steps in and says "since this has been hashed out here I don't want to see or hear of it in another thread again". Perhaps this is where my mistake came in...I Assumed both parties would understand that and not mentioning it would mean not alluding to it, not giving an example using what happened in the story no matter how common it was. One side got this point, but I guess you missed that memo and needed it spelled out in a bit more detail. So there you have it. When an admin/mod says they do not want to see a situation rehashed again, that includes alluding to that situation, giving a summarized version of that TYPE of situation, or just saying "that happened to me". In other words...Don't Mention It Here Again. Pick another example there are certainly plenty out there to do it from.

Now, that should clear up the question for you.
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Re: New Gorum Ban Rules EVERYONE READ!

Postby TrollinWitMyHomies » Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:54 pm

It's actually not, but I'm dealing with Garrgon in PMs. I have told him that he is welcome to share them with you and I was trying to not involve you in this right (given that you are in the hospital) and trying to keep this generic by the way, as I think it's not just a thing for me, but something that coud improve the experience here in general.
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