Sasi wrote:It was never a waste of time. This event, until one of the parties freak out because they were losing the war, had been a lot of fun. Every saturday, there was a battle, and every man in SL Gor who could fight, was welcome to join one of the armies, either as NPC, either as a paid mercenary. Between each battle, this war brought RP, was an opportunity for IC events (in all sims I have been part of as admin or co-owner, there was never an OOC event (except once, in Cyprianus, a tournament I had planned to kept ICly but one of the co-owners organized it in a skybox and opened it to women as well... I was pissed off).
But still, if I was not myself amazed with the way they RPed a Gorean character (but I'm biaised, being a BTB freak), they were not lifestylers.
If you enjoyed this experience you should return to Gor, plenty of sims out there are ready to whine on every raid and finally cancel it before the climax. Clearly not everyone was having fun. I liked to see a return on my investments in BTB, the weekly raiding and some RP was something I played in GE.
I'm speculating this ill fated war occurred whilst Kaelus was occupied by Arians?
If I understood it correctly, the point of the Kaelus sim was to open under occupation then transition through a rebellion where the citizens retake their city
Tantus wrote:I don't know what are these terrible decisions you speak about. I heard about some OOC dramas but when it occured, I was already gone and not interested.
"virginal long-term project"? Are you insinuating that a slave player should have no project, no expectation of long-term RP, storyline...? Why should slave players have different expectations for their RP than those who play a free man or free woman?
Terrible decision in the friends he made. But he's not the first guy in SL RP to have fallen into the wrong circles.
"Long-term" shouldn't ever be an expectation, it will come naturally if the characters consent to it. To expect it is IC/OOC crossing.
Sasi wrote:You don't understand that Illyros has never been opened for the purpose of attracting the big SL Gor crowd. It was a project for those who wanted to play a character really authentic in regard to the Gorean culture. We didn't want the same crap you see everywhere: People whose character claimed a new home stone every time they joined a new city/village, people whose character has been a member of different castes, the improbable progenies of Tuchuk/Torvies etc, the exotic slaves with non sense skills, etc etc. The timing was of no importance, we knew that this project would only appeal to a minority. And the admin team was dedicated.
As for the sims you listed above, most of them were tea party, onlineisms, IC and OOC mixing, lame old school Gor sims. After Cyprianus, and before ORS, with friends, we travelled a lot, looking for a new place.
And no, you were absent the day where I have been dragged to this trial. I defended myself alone....! If I didn't end up into collar, this day, that was not because your active assistance.............!
I respect what Illyros had set out to accomplish, I just don't see the relevance in comparing it to sims who were active, where roleplayers made an effort to push their stories forwards. Though you've repeatedly referenced it as a thriving destination, only you see it that way.
Sasi wrote:Since these friends supposed you had launched this trade RP in order to piss off, OOCly a sim owner (Sais') in isolating him (because the close timing between these two events, the ban and the trade), I think they understand very well the concept of IC and OOC separation.
And if you expressed your satisfation at the idea of bothering Sais through this alliance RP that they couldn't join, definitely, you can't blame people for the impression you made. But as you said yourself, eh, it was just a bonus
And no, Tantus. Most people don't save their SL logs when they change PC. They are not very important files. We usually save our personal folders, our photos, but SL logs? They stay on the old hard drive...
Storing logs was no effort at all, it often helped me during moderation to call back on old logs. And certainly I've enjoyed some of the scenes I was part of, some day in the distant future I may read through my method of roleplaying again.
Since your friends need to talk through you, they're sounding like little more than Lifestyle sissies. They have you carrying some rumour which repeatedly shifts around, it had lost all form two posts ago.
Is this about a sim responding to an RP ban, or trolling sim owners. I'm sure your friends have been innocent of those charges
I've already acknowledged I cross IC/OOC, the same as every other roleplayer. But this wasn't one of those occasions, you ought to be ashamed of propagating girl-gossip.
Sasi wrote:Free women are all over men in SL Gor... As soon as one shows up on sim.... Sometimes, they jump in men's IMs. If the avatar is decent, it's sufficient.
Stop blaming women, men have the easiest part, they start with an advantage: Being a man in an R environment where women are the majority....
I don't dispute it, some guys too easily fall for the first girl who contacts and congratulates him. It does nothing good for the game.
It's not to say all girls who IM you are insane, you just need to recognize those who are.
Sasi wrote:I told you that it was not my conception of political RP... I dislike family RP. With the people I played, the sons and the daughters were pawns used to gain position and power. If a daughter was enslaved, she was disowned, she had brought dishonor in the house. We didn't play lovey dovey family RP where everyone loves everyone. If some day, I play again in a house, as a family member, I invite you to join. You definitely need to experience a new environment
I get the necessity for internal roleplaying, the decent females on sim need roleplay too. When I became involved in a city I tended to look outwards, onto the grandest prize. That's the actual fun of roleplaying. It's not a dig at you, when I've cammed these Ar sims and seen the characters leading their political houses, and their family members, I know they won't achieve anything from their track record in Gor.
Had there ever been a shift in Ar taking power away from the sim owner, you could have highlighted those occasions. But the Ars have no credentials as legitimate roleplaying sims. I'm not vehemently opposed to political RP, it's these pretenders you continually highlight as some standard are the same people I perceive on a level with Sais style sims.
Sasi wrote:Tantus wrote:And in the end, Sasi, who was right about ROIAF. The views I held, or the fantasy you were living.
Who was right about ROIAF...? Oor and Anarch
I thought they were great as a comedy act, but even humour has its victims. They ought to act responsibly in future with disclaimers at the end of each post. A signature like:
[Hi. Theses naive implications of a sim without metgaming, IC/OOC crossing or any form of illicit play are the views of a delusional actor and should not be read as fact. But please, let us live our fantasy in peace.]
I would find that a reasonable compromise from any ROIAF player who routinely trolled Gorean RP forums.