Tantus wrote:Just have to accept SL Gor is for a different crowd now. Their new combat system integrates with social media so people receive updates on your raid activity. These are the sort of people in Gor now, with automated tweets flying around when they capture someone.
About the builds, BTB sims should go meterless and stop pretending to be raidable.
100% of a build is designed around defending raids, but when you account for it less than 1% of that sim's lifetime is taken by raids. Go meterless, design your sim around RP friendly locations and tell raiders to raid GE with their social media meters.
I may be wrong about it but I think BTB has turned into family roleplaying sims, in that everyone wants to join a big family. OOC/IC separation doesn't exist as many of these families are friends who travel RP genres together. The ambition of roleplayers isn't to conquer a city, to play out some scheme or excelling in some trait as it used to be. It's to be part of some family with funky, unreadable fonts depicting their family name.
And every family has that kooky slave who's like an anime character, it may be cute if you're watching a cartoon but it doesn't belong in Gor!
Processing an influx of slaves is a tricky balance, because they want roleplay and left to wander the streets with no direction at all will lead to complaints of a sim ignoring its slave-players. Introduction to a kennel and internal activity gives them a base to begin and build their story from. People will always complain about how this or that wasn't in the books but that isn't offering a solution. SL sims have considerations real Gor didn't, being that people don't(or shouldn't) live in the game, but somehow are expected to roleplay at full time hours.
Tantus wrote:If you mean a scenario where a slave enters a sim and starts roleplaying with someone who decides to take her. Then a mod tell them 'No', because she should have gone to the kennels first, then I agree it's over-moderating people's roleplay.
Though sims have these rules to protect slaves from opportunists who will collar everything in sight, then dump her a day later. Someone, somewhere, has to deal with these heartbroken slaves so they slam these rules in place to prevent it.
Sasi wrote:Else, you can build the best of sims, with a perfect lore, you can have a sim wide storyline that people can use to build their own stories, you can create intrigues, plots, etc. That will work for a few months, your traffic will be high, and of course, your sim will drag excellent RPers, the para-RP ones, those who are very familiar with the RP etiquettes, who won't mix IC and OOC.
But this kind of player base never stays for years in a sim... As soon as some other RP sim opens, with a new theme (fantasy, Sci-fi, goth...), they join it and their time in your Gorean one become shorter, until you stop seeing them. Every 3 or 4 months, their interest evolves, changes, they want to try something new.
Sasi wrote:Though sims have these rules to protect slaves from opportunists who will collar everything in sight, then dump her a day later. Someone, somewhere, has to deal with these heartbroken slaves so they slam these rules in place to prevent it.
I have a hard time with this kind of rule... I even find it insulting... If I play a slave character, I'm an adult, I want to be considered like an adult. I don't want special rules to protect my little heart from being broken. I'm an adult woman, I can take care of myself. Sim owner + admins, don't have to deal with people's personal feelings. You provide a RP place, not a nursery school... People, whatever their role, should be expected to deal their relationships with maturity, like adults. If a slave player is dumped a day later by the guy who collared her char, it's definitely only her problem, not the sim owner's problem. She is an adult woman, not a little girl who needs protection.
I'm really tired of these insulting rules which make the slave players look like kids who need to be nursed and guided, as if they were not adult people able to take care of themselves.
Tantus wrote:Para-emoters who don't metagame, cross IC/OOC or any number of infractions... just.. don't... exist. It's a myth people add in their profiles to feel better about themselves.
Tantus wrote:Anyone who's roleplayed in BTB has probably faced the moment a friend IM's you and says, a really nice girl she knows was just dumped by her owner. Now she's so lost and upset and this girl asks if you would collar her friend for a week?
My response was always... Fuck no. It's not that I'm insensitive about these things, I just don't believe sensitive people should be in Gor. So I was always of the opinion that sims shouldn't need an entire infrastructure for managing their slaves. All you need is a paga-den, some alcoves and if a slave cannot deal with it she doesn't belong.
But - I have friends who run sims, and the amount of stray-abandoned-upset and crying slaves they get in their IMs is amazing. Should they ignore the slave-plight, they're accused of being a sim who doesn't cater to slave-roleplayers, a sim that's marginalising their slave-population and infringing upon their roleplayer-rights. People who are better than I, care enough to build these kennels and systems of inducting and engaging their slave-players. It's one of those situations where you'll criticised if you do, and bitched at if you don't.
There are no easy solutions but to have a paga den and alcoves and if it's beneath some roleplayer's slave-standards she can hop to another sim.
P.S. I haven't seen a paga den on a Gorean sim in many years!
Leah wrote:Tantus wrote:Para-emoters who don't metagame, cross IC/OOC or any number of infractions... just.. don't... exist. It's a myth people add in their profiles to feel better about themselves.
Perhaps not in SL, but they absolutely do exist elsewhere.
Leah wrote:I think the objection is more that new players portraying slaves are often told they must join those particular paga dens or state slave kennels. Personally, I don't need someone else policing my roleplay. I swear, I can handle my RP all by my lonesome. I'm a grown woman - I'll be ok!
Sasi wrote:It is true, Tantus, that these advanced rpers (I prefer the term "advanced" over "elite") tend to form cliques.
But I swear I experienced with those people far less breaches to the RP etiquettes and IC/OOC mixing. Those who play a slave will easily emote an NPC owner, for example. They will take initiatives.
Sasi wrote:Yes, issues do happen, I remember a woman who freaked out in my IMs because she required the position of ambassador for her char, and I told that no, it would be totally unrealistic to send a female scribe as ambassador, for a war mission, when some cities would be required to bend knee to the one my character ran and provide supplies... That was a mission for high ramked warriors. The woman left the sim with her little crow.
These people, tend to be very demanding in resources (house, prims, role) and as I said, their interest for a sim seldom lasts more 6 months.
But as ex sim owner, admin, mod of a dozen of sims, these last years, the real problems regarding the mix of IC and OOC, the metagaming, godmodding, happened with these so called "old Gor" people, seldom para-rpers, who tended to forget they were not their character.
Sasi wrote:And definitely, sensitive people are not a sim owner's problem. OOC structures for slave RPers should not exist. I, personally, find them demeaning, insulting for the typist who is normally a full grown person. Second, they encourage those who lack maturity, at taking responsibilities for their RP, their choices.
For this realson, I like the idea of state kennels with a NPC slaver. Especially when 99% of slaver RPers are just lame, unable to RP a training the way they are described in the books, mix IC and OOC.
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