Fortunes Cookie wrote:I'm going to pull aside the Oz curtain here and say the Emperor has no fucking clothes. I spent YEARS and hundreds of thousands of lindens supporting and roleplaying in the Game of Thrones venue. ROIAF shares many of the same roleplaying base as the older Bandor GoT sims, and other non-affilated GoT sims that have run over the years. The same issues with alts and a limited pool of regular players exists there as well as in SL Gor.
I don't glorify one genre over the other because I see the same shitty behavior from people in both. Drama queens, owner/admin nepotism, temper tantrums, that shit is all the same regardless of the name of the sim.
It is outright delusional to claim that people's RP behavior and etiquette isn't 100x worse in SL Gor. The reason is quite simple: people are never held to any standards whatsoever. Players in Gor rarely have to deal with their bad RP etiquette being pointed out or corrected, and when it is, they just throw a tantrum and go to the next newest Gorean sim that will be open for a month or two. Like, I don't even want to entertain anyone who wants to claim the problems are just the same in every genre. It's a ridiculous statement that does not match my own experience in the slightest.
I mean, it's even just simple logic in itself:
- SL Gor sims don't expect anyone to fill out character applications on their sims, anyone can just visit and play. There is no oversight on what anyone is playing, eg. therefor you get all these half-mamba / half-torvalds Warriors who are also bakers, slavers and have a Pani sister.
- SL Gor sims don't expect anyone to adjust their character backgrounds to match the lore of the sim
- SL Gor sims don't usually even have any lore or past storyline for role players to hook into
- SL Gor sims tend to not acknowledge NPCs or NPC environments, and this isn't just limited to guards, but also to politics and just the realistic dynamic of a gorean society. (powerful political families or factions that would exist within a city: eg. The Initiate Caste)
- SL Gor rarely enforce cultural standards across their sim, they just let people RP whatever anti-canonical nonsense that comes to mind with little to no consequences. (Example again: you can just murder an initiate in the middle of your city and get away with it, when in reality that would've caused a shitstorm of IC consequences)
Another example would be the Warrior Codes, or understanding merchant law. (example: the codified and universal merchant law of Gor describes the right for any man to enslave a Free Woman from another city or tribe. Yet somehow 9 out of 10 'governments' in Gorean RP sims will start RPing that the man somehow committed a crime for doing it, broke his Warrior Codes (codes which also describe that this is a right for Warriors) or even worse declare that their city doesn't follow merchant law and has their own laws......)
It's almost simple mathematics to add all that up and then to understand the respect for story, environment and role play in SL Gor is just much lower overall or frankly non-existant. And that is just the IC, lore, story and setting side of things. The absurd amount of people who don't even know RP basics in SL Gor is staggering, because nobody ever is expected to... thought insults, power-emoting, etc.
Let's be frank here though, and stop measuring e-peens between Gor and GoT.
The only reason I would stop 'measuring e-peens' is because it's not even much of a competition to begin with.
No reason to get defensive over Gor. I like the genre just as much as anyone else, but I at least want to acknowledge the entire bullshit and inadequate OOC setup one genre has. SL Gor is FULL with shitty RPers, and I'm not even talking about paragraph emote quality. I''m talking about RP etiquette: power emoting, thought insults, not respecting or understanding the genre they're playing in, mixing IC and OOC, inability to handle conflict RP in any mature or fairplay manner, RP limits, immortal characters, characters with ridiculous implausible backgrounds, etc.
I sometimes visit Gorean sims, and they only seem to be getting worse with all the issues mentioned above. If I can walk around in a gorean sim and find RP with 3 people of which 2 don't instantly give me a bloody headache because how they don't even understand the basics of RP, it would be a miracle.
You can find roleplaying just about anywhere. What you guys and gals really want, is structured roleplaying in a sim with like-minded people where there's a guaranteed audience for your story. That means an active sim. That means other folks that share your understanding and like of a given genre.
Sure and that pretty much doesn't exist in SL Gor for me right now, or for many others I imagine, despite me loving the gorean genre as a whole. SL Gor is practically unplayable
The one thing I disagree with most of all though, is the accusation from Sasi that people RP in Gor because they want a thinly veiled D/S fetish environment.
You're reading that wrong. She isn't accusing every single person in Gor of doing that, just a big swath of people or roughly the majority. There are -many- SL Gor sims where the sim rules clearly explain that as a person playing a woman or slave character you're OOC less of a person and less of a role player, while throwing a bunch of absurd IC/OOC mixed rules on top of it.
Some of my buddies are usually admins in most of the high traffic gorean sims, and I've lost count of how many times some guys just instantly go: "Fuck you, I don't have to listen to a female moderator / admin or listen to your shitty sim rules."
The entitlement among the average gorean RPer is pretty great, up to the point they start crying when they're expected to fill out proper character applications to play on a sim or when they're reminded of the sim rules. There's plenty of man children around in SL Gor. And those man children often, due to the genre, have much greater (negative) influence on everyone's ongoing RP and storylines.
This is not about measuring e-peens, this is about acknowledging the truth, and I'll point out the rational nudity myself of anyone who tries to contest this reality.
As a side note, I'll acknowledge that ROIAF has other issues, but frankly i prefer those issues by a mile over what plagues Gor:
- People not often daring to take risk in RP
- People avoiding conflict RP
- Planning and plotting RP to get an IC edge on their opponents, cliques trying to stack the deck in their favor
The latter is an issue you won't see much in SL Gor, but mostly because most SL Gor players can't even get over their issues with basic RP etiquette or understanding the genre they're playing in. The only manner in which it manifests itself somewhat in SL Gor is when people create 'raid groups' and invite all the best meter combatants to their group to make sure no other sim even stands a fighting chance in the snorefest that is meter combat.