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When you perv cam...

Postby Manon Seid » Wed May 31, 2017 1:13 pm

Ok since we are apparently up and running again I have a scenario for my fellow Gor roleplayers. I would like to know how you would handle a situation I encountered.

As some of you might know I am pretty laissez faire when it comes to roleplay in SL. If one should ask me about my own personal approach though I am pretty hardcore BTB. I HATE people introducing details that would never plausibly fit in the Gorean lore into my Gor rp just to have scenes fit their personal sex fantasies or real life moralities. I just rarely voice this hate and instead I try hard to go with the flow. I think the books present so many possibilities within the lore that there's no need to come up with the crazy scenarios to have fun and interesting stories. But let's put that aside for a moment and dive into the scene:

Panther woman meets panther woman in the forests. So far so good. They interact and a nice little scene plays out where two strangers need to depend on each other even though they know they likely can't trust the other. The written roleplay is good. Both seem to catch the hooks and toss the ball back with interesting twists and just the right amount of background to tickle imagination and curiosity. Great right? Towards the end of the scene I notice that the avatar of the other character is wearing a loin cloth and under it lo and behold hides an attached cock. There has been no reference to this in the rp and had it not been for that damn curiosity and the convenient ability in SL to cam around to explore how people look when waiting for a post the odd fact about that character would have gone unnoticed.

So question: How would you continue after that discovery?

I let it slide. Simply ignored it and continued the rp. The scene ended and we agreed to meet up another day to continue. My rp partner was online first and met the other character and played a scene. As we share the storyline I read what was being played then, this time there were definitely a reference to the attachment in the written rp.

I am confused. Apparently some sort of cruel experiment among the mambas has left a woman with an attached working male part… What??? The person is clearly a good roleplayer so whyyyy? I really don’t get it. I have tried to give it a chance - I really have! Thought it through and considered all the "This is a fantasy/sci-fi setting. Anything is in theory possible and only our imagination limits us" ….but there's just no way I can see this as a plausible scenario in Gor. There's just too many wrongs to ever make a right. I was excited to encounter someone who could write and create an interesting scene and who was not afraid of conflict in character and now I am just so…damn…disappointed :banghead:

So question: Is there any scenario in Gor you can see, where a mamba (or anyone really) had the tech to attach a cock to a woman and actually succeed in making it a working part of her anatomy AND have a plausible reason for doing so?

And last: Share your story of GE encounters in SL Gor roleplay. Did you go with the flow? And if you did, did you succeed in having fun and create an interesting story that might be plausible in your own Gor storyline anyway? And if yes - How did you manage that!?
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Re: When you perv cam...

Postby Sasi » Wed May 31, 2017 4:06 pm

I would not have gone with the flow, I would have stopped rping and exited the scene after a polite IM. I feel no obligation to involve my character in a scene which definitely doesn't fit the environment where I chose to role-play. Because no, there is no scenario plausible in Gor which would support the one you described.

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Re: When you perv cam...

Postby Vector » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:35 am

I can't see any plausible way to legitimately bring this 'thing' into your roleplay. You'd simply have to ignore it and if the roleplay continually gravitates toward 'it' I would continually steer away from it. The other player will get the hint. That's how to keep it within your terms of reference, not theirs. Otherwise it is forced roleplay that you are not comfortable with (because it isn't within the Gorean lore as we know it) and because you are 'hardcore' BtB.

On the other hand, should you chose to IM them and ask for chapter and verse supporting quotes/references and specifically ask to see the roleplay behind the experimentation, as an extension (pun intended) of their unfolding story, then that would be a different matter. Then the choice would be yours to accept it into your roleplay or not.

Bottom line is this; this is your roleplay on your terms. This is your downtime and you are choosing to share it with them. Yes, their written rp was plausible (and good) up until that point, but if it doesn't fit within the framework you're both accustomed to (the books), then it doesn't happen. No matter how special they want to be.

That's my opinion.
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Re: When you perv cam...

Postby DarbyDollinger » Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:05 am

My character would smile politely but consider them touched in the head and move on to find saner company.
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Re: When you perv cam...

Postby Manon Seid » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:37 pm

Thanks for giving good advice all!

And I agree with you too.
I think my approach would be along the lines of Darby's if I am directly confronted with that detail. Up until then though I think I'll go with Vectors suggestion. Ignore that part of the visuals and clearly showing I am not interested in that twist. Heh did I really write 'hardcore'? lol uhm I think I meant I see myself as a BTB paragraph roleplayer. But since I haven't read all the books, that other statement might be a bit much :D

I am still not entirely sure if I should have just stopped it all mid scene as I discovered the ahem hidden treasure. I mean I get what you are saying Sasi and I do agree too. But apart from that one visual there were nothing wrong with her..his...Gor rp. It was all plausible and interesting. Of course it was no mistake from the other players part - a cock did not magically attach itself without her noticing. Had it clearly been a mistake like part of a mesh body not rezzing in or something similar I would not have reacted or written posts here or anything. But still she was also not bringing the detail up in rp (with me)....meh I don't know...I feel confused.

I know I am not interested in knowing about the backstory. I saw parts of it in the rp I did not join and that's more than enough. And Sasi is right. A good roleplayer is not just one who can write beautifully but also one who understands how to make their character fit into the rp environment. I think looking forward the scenes with that character will be limited. I as a typist can choose to ignore that twist about her and just treat her as a regular panther woman who plays a minor part as a stranger in the storyline. That will work with BTB Gor and with my characters storyline too as long as I don't poke around too much about her characters personality. I think I would rather the scene came to a sorta natural roleplayed ending now that its started, instead of cutting it off in the middle of it all; then it just feels like hours of wasted time and energy.

Anyway - that was my strange encounter. I would love to hear yours too even if you stopped the scene immediately or did not even get to start a scene in the first place.
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Re: When you perv cam...

Postby Qingwen » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:22 pm

I've cut scenes shorter with "poisonous" slavegirls, when they reveal it, though I believe there are instances in the books of such. Didn't really make sense to me such purpose-bred creatures would be wandering freely, able to bite whomever they chose.
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Re: When you perv cam...

Postby Tantus » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:22 am

I am surprised Manon, it's taken till 2017 for you to encounter a shemale-panther!
They're a feature in almost every tribe, the very reason city-men no longer go deep into the woods.

Manon Seid wrote:I am still not entirely sure if I should have just stopped it all mid scene as I discovered the ahem hidden treasure. I mean I get what you are saying Sasi and I do agree too. But apart from that one visual there were nothing wrong with her..his...Gor rp. It was all plausible and interesting. Of course it was no mistake from the other players part - a cock did not magically attach itself without her noticing. Had it clearly been a mistake like part of a mesh body not rezzing in or something similar I would not have reacted or written posts here or anything. But still she was also not bringing the detail up in rp (with me)....meh I don't know...I feel confused.


The question is what disappointed you about the discovery. Did you feel cheated by the player or just disturbed by the visual. How would your character actually respond to it.

When you encounter weirdness, in most scenarios that's just the beginning and there's a whole barrel of idiocy about to pour over your roleplay (Like those 'poison slaves' come with an OOC DRAMA badge as standard). But if I encountered someone who can roleplay normally and has been interesting to exchange posts with, I would give them leeway to roleplay something stranger.

You can always return to the city and kick back with a cup of tea, or engage with an odd scenario, see how your character responds to the unusual and learn from it. How plausible something is, is defined by your imagination. Now we all have boundaries we won't cross, and BTB's population is narrower minded than most. It's your choice to stay in that bubble, or when you've encountered a good roleplayer in the strangest of scenes, think, "OK WTF! How is my character really going to respond to this."

IC'ly I would be pissed to discover the female I've been engaging with was a closet she-male! But I wouldn't IM them and say "Fuck off dude I'm not roleplaying this!". If I've been in RP with that person for over an hour, then I'd do them the courtesy of leading it to a brief and natural end.
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Re: When you perv cam...

Postby Sasi » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:06 am

Qingwen wrote:I've cut scenes shorter with "poisonous" slavegirls, when they reveal it, though I believe there are instances in the books of such. Didn't really make sense to me such purpose-bred creatures would be wandering freely, able to bite whomever they chose.


Actually, from my understanding of the books, I think that such slaves are kept in the slave house where they are bred, in kennels and bought on purpose by someone who would be preparing a murder (of some important person, as I don't think the price of such a slave would be cheap...). Also, I doubt the girl would survive to the kill, she would be likely slain by those who were normally in charge for the protection and escort (after torture...?).

It's truly a non sense to have a poisonous slave wandering freely in the streets, even in the corridors of your house, and a non sense to own such a girl for the same use than the average pleasure slave...

Personally, I don't play with these snowflakes...
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Re: When you perv cam...

Postby Manon Seid » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:22 am

Tantus: I am surprised Manon, it's taken till 2017 for you to encounter a shemale-panther!


Hah! Well I have been sick and tired of the SL panther woman band play for years so I have stayed away, hidden in the darkest corners of SL Gor with a single roleplay partner and the rare encounter of strangers. I have seen shemale panther women before, but usually I spot them from a mile away and have been successful in finding important scenes I simply had to play out somewhere else. This time I was busy with a script or some Blender file or something so when someone walked up and joined a scene I just noticed a post popping up on my screen and so I responded. Several posts later I bothered to cam over just to be able to see the character from afar and it was not until quite a while later I actually zoomed in to see details like carried weapons and such and apparently an attached cock lol.

What disappointed me...hmm. Well the visuals itself did not disturb me much really. After soon 10 years in SL the sight of a cock likely wont disturb me no matter where its attached. The unsolicited offers of rl pics are probably what comes closest to being disturbing in that regard but they mostly vary from mildly annoying to quite entertaining. But that's another topic :D

I think my disappointment came from the fact I was so excited to meet a stranger who seemed to portray an interesting character, who seemed friendly in im, and who could roleplay - I mean portray a believable character, build up a scene with just enough detail to have it speak to me and who was not in any way offended by my character being the grumpy half insane groot she is, but instead build the story around it with tension and potential ic disaster hovering in the horizon - for either of the characters. She seemed well within the restraints of the Gor genre and so to me for a fleeting moment it looked like encountering strangers panther woman portrayal was not entirely hopeless after all.

When I saw that damn cock it all shattered because (as you mentioned too Tantus) I am so used to that simple fact that if you notice one strange thing about a character, it's a matter of minutes before it escalates. So I just knew it could not end well. All that said though nothing out of Gor happened in the roleplay and although I was annoyed from that moment on, I must admit I had a good time. She/he stayed in role and perhaps he sensed I was not interested in that twist.

In general it's my experience that much good can come from keeping an open mind approach. There ARE limits though. If the twist came up in roleplay I would only consider letting my character react to it IC if I am already very invested in the story and the other typist proved he is a decent writer and wanted to create a story with me not just go for the pixel sex shit. Now how "Night", my character would respond to such a revelation...hmm. As always with her I am not entirely sure, but considering her state of mind lately I don't think it would be healthy for the other character. 8-)

Now poison slaves... I haven't met one in years! Are they still around? I think if I met one IC I would steal her and cage her and travel Gor showing her off like some strange 1800 circus animal.

"STRAIGHT from the dark exotic slave houses of the Southern Sandy Jewel they call Tor, Today I BRING YOU...a RARITY...a SENSATION. A ONCE in a LIFETIME...Poison Bitch! Come poke her with a stick if you dare! Look in her cold eyes. The seductress could KILL you with a kiss. Bread purely for cold bloded MURRDERRRR. Better stay back from the cage... unless you are...curious hmmm? ONLY three copper bits to lay your eyes upon this incredibly rare and stunningly beautiful creature! ONLY TWO copper tarsks if there's a man around COURAGEOUS enough to have her suck him dry. Hah!"

Yea id have fun :D Sadly they rarely let you know they are poisonous in actual roleplay and of course there's the mandatory OOC drama to take into consideration. It always comes up as some OOC comment or as a screamed statement in their profile.

Actually out of curiosity are the poison slaves in the books poisonous or venomous?
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Re: When you perv cam...

Postby Leah » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:02 am

I thought mambas were extremely primitive?

This kind of "experimentation" would require serious levels of scientific expertise and technology.
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