Anarch Allegiere wrote:This must be these 'alternative facts' I've been hearing so much about. :p
It's all the rage these days, RL politics in 2017 has surpassed comedy for entertainment! But anything I say about Gorean RPs, has happened. Regardless I would welcome those alternative facts too!
Oor wrote:Is there something about the word "generally" that you struggle with?
I also know more than a handful of amazing role player who either still play in, or started out in, Gor. That doesn't change the fact that the standard in aggregate is dismal, nor that Gorean role players have an understandably awful reputation across the role playing grid. On this very forum, which many have said has a collection of some of the better role players Gor has to offer, where the understanding of role play is much better on average than in Gor general, it is still possible to have heated debate about whether "IC and OOC should be separate" - perhaps the most basic tenet of role play in any venue, medium or genre - is a controversial statement.
Controversial? It's just a lot of nonsense. There is no separation
unless you happen to be an emotionless robot roleplaying on the Internet. Everyone
crosses OOC with IC at some point, even your IC relationship(whatever it may be) with Anarch's character in ROIAF was decided OOC'ly. And you're not alone, practically everyone at some point is motivated to roleplay with another character based upon their OOC history. That friendship will further determine the direction of their IC interaction.
Some day, you shall look beyond the fable of perfection you've created for yourself and your sim. And see how everyone, at some point, metagames, manipulates and fails to separate their wants, from their character's needs.
Back in the real world, almost anyone in an IC relationship begins forming OOC expectations from their partner. Hence why so many men bail on their Internet wives and RP sims are left with an overwhelming majority of women and GBKs.
Oor wrote:The fact that you think that was that king's "first notion of conflict" is hilarious. So is the idea that sticking with a bested character for only a few weeks (!) is somehow commendable, or indeed unusual.
I've already declared myself ignorant of ROIAF's history from never having roleplayed there and you may be amused by it all you like. As to the deposed leader, it was
commendable, for he roleplayed out his fall from grace for some weeks after the event, then gathered sympathizers around his plans for a return to power. But in the end, as the noose was closing in on him and his plotting he took refuge in another city and continues to roleplay there.
In contrast, and from how I understand it, a bested character in GoT would be exiled from Kings' Landing, that character goes into limbo and the same avatar re-rolls and returns to roleplay the very next day as a new person.
Different strokes for different folks, but I know which one would give me the fuller sense of roleplaying the aftermath to a critical event.
Also, I almost entered ROIAF earlier this year, but the sim was drifting with just a couple of IC people looking bored. And it may show higher traffic now, but most of those people are AFK in the landing area with only a handful on the actual sim below. From what I know, people only congregate during IC events, then disappear into their groups and skyboxes. It's not an environment I've roleplayed in before, for someone like myself who prefers to make my acquaintances IC'ly, I would struggle where people appear to enter into pre-configured cliques and keep to themselves.
Oor wrote:I don't think modes of conflict and politicking across the two genres are comparable (or Gor with any genre, in fact). Gor sims look without for any conflict that isn't personal relationship stuff. Other genres tend to look within, using factions with cohesive timelines and stories and histories. After usually having people apply to join with at least a passing nod to ongoing lore.
If Gor is getting better? Great! If the genre is finally shaking off its lifestyler roots and stepping into more intricate story than shaky justifications for pew pew interspersed between fuckscenes between slave girl characters and dudes played by dudes who think slave girl characters should never be involved in story... awesome! Where can I find that? Got a SLurl?
Cohesive timelines like ROIAF's infamously tangled family trees? With people calling for a jump into the future just to clear the mud. There is such a thing as blowing your trumpet without any air, Oor, and you may fawn over ROIAF all you like, but the fact is that sim goes through seasonal periods too. Eventually everyone has experienced marriage with everyone else, the drama becomes too much and everyone leaves. Then after some months of quiet it slowly builds back up again. Just like it happens on, say... Sais.
Gor is absolutely upon its last legs. When I speak of Gorean Roleplayers, I'm not thinking of the dozens of lifestyle and psuedo lifestyle sims, they do not exist to me. I only include the handful of sims where people roleplay Gor. And those sims exist as only a couple, at any one time.