Porno Young Adult fiction

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Re: Porno Young Adult fiction

Postby Elle Couerblanc » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:15 pm

Leah wrote:
Glaucon wrote:Come on! What was the time when you consumed this stuff most avidly? When you were a teenager, right? Porn mags (if anyone still buys those), porn books etc. are (or were) surely mostly consumed by those under 21, even if they say they are 'adult'.


Actually, I never saw any form of pornography until after I was 21. :-P When I was a teenager, I read things like Anne McCaffery.


I read Judy Blume's Forever at age 13. It was pretty darn hot! She was a better writet I suspect than this person so she didn't need to be so explicit for me to figure out what the main characters were doing. :egrin:
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Re: Porno Young Adult fiction

Postby Leah » Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:05 am

There was totally sex in Anne McCaffery's books, too! Just not explicit.
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Re: Porno Young Adult fiction

Postby juelles » Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:33 pm

I think the teen books are teen because they are written normally about teens or stories about teens. They are for young adults, but I think back to the books that I read from that category when I was 13-14 and they were pretty hot too.

Judy Blume was one, but VC Andrews had some pretty racy and taboo things in her books.

I honesty haven't read the twilight series but don't they break a bed when they get married having sex?

It's only shocking because of the graphic words they used to each other, but I read a lot more shocking things than sex with a lot more wording.

And MTV, for what it's worth, now has a television show for teens about losing virginity.
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Re: Porno Young Adult fiction

Postby Theoden » Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:06 pm

Content is not the issue. Explicitness is the issue. This is the theme of all ratings schemes, from music to movies. There is a difference between suggestive and explicit
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Re: Porno Young Adult fiction

Postby Rhett » Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:50 am

I'd rather have teenagers reading explicit material that taught them about their desires rather than some book that preached about not having those desires to begin with. Hopefully, the book at least talked about using a condom. :lol:

Honestly, I don't want my hypothetical 8 year old reading it. But, I wouldn't care if my hypothetical 14 or 15 year old read it. The Gor books were targeted at a male audience of about 15 or 16 too. I don't really care if something is explicit or not. The content is the same and your imagination goes to the same place, so not much of a difference to me.
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Re: Porno Young Adult fiction

Postby Theoden » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:07 am

Rhett wrote:I'd rather have teenagers reading explicit material that taught them about their desires rather than some book that preached about not having those desires to begin with. Hopefully, the book at least talked about using a condom. :lol:

Honestly, I don't want my hypothetical 8 year old reading it. But, I wouldn't care if my hypothetical 14 or 15 year old read it. The Gor books were targeted at a male audience of about 15 or 16 too. I don't really care if something is explicit or not. The content is the same and your imagination goes to the same place, so not much of a difference to me.


Wait. So you're okay if your 14 year old reads this:

'I moved up my hips so his erection slipped in'
'he ran his large length against my swollen clit'
'he pushed in deeper'
'you fit like a glove'
'fuck it felt so good'


Interesting
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Re: Porno Young Adult fiction

Postby Rhett » Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:31 am

Yes. It's not like he or she doesn't know what that is already anyway and I would be much more concerned about other topics than simply explicit sex. Like I said, is a condom being used? Is there coercion going on? Did both parties affirmatively consent? Are there alcohol or drugs involved? Kids are going to be curious, especially the YA age group. I would rather they be openly curious and read a book that models "safe" and consensual behavior. I don't think the sex is the big issue here or even how explicit it is. There are other factors that I would be more careful to monitor or at least have an open discussion with my teenager about, like consent and contraceptives.
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Re: Porno Young Adult fiction

Postby Glaucon » Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:58 am

Theoden wrote:Wait. So you're okay if your 14 year old reads this:

'I moved up my hips so his erection slipped in'
'he ran his large length against my swollen clit'
'he pushed in deeper'
'you fit like a glove'
'fuck it felt so good'


Interesting


That is... definitelly not para-RP.
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Re: Porno Young Adult fiction

Postby Theoden » Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:27 am

Rhett wrote:Yes. It's not like he or she doesn't know what that is already anyway and I would be much more concerned about other topics than simply explicit sex. Like I said, is a condom being used? Is there coercion going on? Did both parties affirmatively consent? Are there alcohol or drugs involved? Kids are going to be curious, especially the YA age group. I would rather they be openly curious and read a book that models "safe" and consensual behavior. I don't think the sex is the big issue here or even how explicit it is. There are other factors that I would be more careful to monitor or at least have an open discussion with my teenager about, like consent and contraceptives.


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Re: Porno Young Adult fiction

Postby juelles » Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:19 am

I agree with Rhett.

I get that your saying it is explicit material. But I would be more put off that my child at 14 is reading such poor writing then the words fuck and clit.

In this day and age by 14 they have already seen all that explicit stuff on a computer. Even blocking your own computer does not prevent them from seeing porn at a friends house where it isn't blocked.

Plus I am pretty sure the young adult fiction is divided into sub sections in most stores and libraries for 12-14 and 15-17 up ages.

But overall it is going to be more and more important to educate youth on freedom of speech, censorship, and what is actual writing as opposed to trash so that they are more desensitized to such crap as opposed to eager to read more like it and become fans of 50 shades type writing as adults. (Sorry but I thought it was similar to the writing ability of a teen itself).

It's explicit, but it is the message that is more important in my opinion. In flowers in the attic there was incest, and that is a much more intense message than a few dirty words that youth have already seen and giggled about with older friends or the internet.
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