Leah wrote:Considering that you've attributed a number of things to me that I've never said (I don't recall calling anyone stupid, claiming I was a peacekeeper, claiming I was good, never I said I wasn't going to "lower myself" to do anything, etc), I'm just going to conclude that something about being asked to be polite is so downright offensive to you that you can't deal with it. I really don't care what anyone thinks of me personally, I guess I just became used to better conversation, ironically enough (considering the location, anyway), on other forums.
I think you're projecting intentions and words onto me that I've never said. Which you're free to do, but I actually thought you were a bit deeper than that.
I didn't say you actually said all of those things, Leah. Doesn't mean they're not there, and it doesn't mean people can't see through your holier-than-thou attitude when you're pretty much the queen of passive-aggressive snark.
When you ask why people can't debate without being (in your subjective opinion) insulting or rude - you are in effect presuming that they cannot, rather than that they choose not to or that what they say isn't insulting in their opinion in the first place. When you say that Kaitlin's point 'isn't to be productive' you're using hyperbole to purposely paint her in a bad light. She is often productive and a good contributor to many of the discussions we have here about Gorean role play. There are other examples of this kind of thing dotted through your posts in this thread, but I won't put them all here. They're easy enough to recognise and you're smart enough of a woman that you knew what you were doing when you typed them. IMO this cowardly round-about way of insulting people is worse than doing it directly.
When it comes right down to it, it's simply a difference in communication style, and nothing to do with anyone being 'deep', or 'better conversation' or even having a problem with being 'asked to be polite' (you can ask all day - taking issue with the answers you get is on your own shoulders). My issue isn't with being asked to be polite (by someone who fairly regularly (and historically) throws out a considerable amount of snark and insult). My issue is with the hypocrisy of asking WHILE being rude and patronising about it - but thinking (I presume, or you just literally made yourself look stupid on purpose) that because it's YOU, and because YOU think, subjectively, that YOUR intentions are good, it's fine. Which is utterly repulsive on many levels.
Kaitlin isn't, and never will be, a friend of mine. And yes, she's snarky and rude and insulting when she's involved in debate - and more than is necessary a lot of the time. But you're not 'better' than her when you start throwing out snark and judgement of your own just because YOU think YOU are right. Newsflash: Kaitlin thinks she's right too. And in the end, you're both just being bitchy and rude.
But only one of you will admit it. The other wants to keep their ass planted firmly on the 'angel' embroidered cushion up on high. And that, mah fren, is a crying fucking shame. And is likely far more irritating to someone who values truth and candor over politeness than it is to someone who values those things the other way around, so I don't expect you to understand. But yeah, that is my 'issue'.
Now I'm off to have shallow (and bad - or at least, not betterer) discussions with my shallow friends. While pondering why I 'can't handle' being asked to be polite.