Mesh What?!!?? Hands, Heads & Breasts...wow

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Re: Mesh What?!!?? Hands, Heads & Breasts...wow

Postby Sasi » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:30 am

I would like more options, for the nose, lips, eyes shapes...

The SLink heads, I hate the eyelashes, for example..
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Re: Mesh What?!!?? Hands, Heads & Breasts...wow

Postby Glaucon » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:01 am

I guess I am going to be anti-mesh, blind Glaucon again, but...

Why? Sure, I have seen some pretty faces that were mesh (typically very teenager-looking, but pretty) and I get that this mesh may have a bit more detail than the 'system' faces, but with good skin, good shapes and so forth, the 'system' faces can look just as pretty, I'd say (if perhaps a little less detailed). Ugly angles like the ones some here dislike so much about the system breasts? Not that I noticed (maybe a little for those with very pronounced cheekbones). With all the shape-sliders and skins and tattoo layers and so forth, these system faces can be made to look pretty unique (for those that make the effort), whereas at the moment, these mesh heads all seem to look rather similar. Maybe new meshhead makers will add variety, but I can't see that producing as much variety as the system faces can offer.

I get that there is a drive in SL (especially among those playing femmes) towards looking as pretty as possible, but as an RP-er with an appreciation for the visual aspects, if it is a trade-off between visual perfection and people creating avatars that are unique to them, I'd go with the second option, especially if the first means an invasion of cutesy avi's that, in spite of their large mesh breasts, look like 15-year olds and, for the most part, like identical twins (because there are always going to be one or two 'heads' or complete mesh avatars that are going to be considered the best, so people will generally use those).
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Re: Mesh What?!!?? Hands, Heads & Breasts...wow

Postby Cassie » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:39 am

Glaucon wrote:I guess I am going to be anti-mesh, blind Glaucon again, but...

Why? Sure, I have seen some pretty faces that were mesh (typically very teenager-looking, but pretty) and I get that this mesh may have a bit more detail than the 'system' faces, but with good skin, good shapes and so forth, the 'system' faces can look just as pretty, I'd say (if perhaps a little less detailed). Ugly angles like the ones some here dislike so much about the system breasts? Not that I noticed (maybe a little for those with very pronounced cheekbones). With all the shape-sliders and skins and tattoo layers and so forth, these system faces can be made to look pretty unique (for those that make the effort), whereas at the moment, these mesh heads all seem to look rather similar. Maybe new meshhead makers will add variety, but I can't see that producing as much variety as the system faces can offer.

I get that there is a drive in SL (especially among those playing femmes) towards looking as pretty as possible, but as an RP-er with an appreciation for the visual aspects, if it is a trade-off between visual perfection and people creating avatars that are unique to them, I'd go with the second option, especially if the first means an invasion of cutesy avi's that, in spite of their large mesh breasts, look like 15-year olds and, for the most part, like identical twins (because there are always going to be one or two 'heads' or complete mesh avatars that are going to be considered the best, so people will generally use those).


The consideration on my part towards the mesh head would be if they actually implemented a LARGE set of facials that would make the face have a greater utility than just well being mesh.

At present the variety is weak and aside some decent shading from the standard face nothing that can make me say "boy that is something that was missing".

I don't see anything wrong with women or men wanting to look better...prettier, why not? It's their chance to look like they want and perfection in my case is what I like to achieve like I would when drawing.

If you take into account avatars who obviously went through a lot of money and the results they accomplished you quickly understand that a barbie world is not something that could happen.
The amount of women with the small pouty fish lips and sponge bob thigh gaps removes all fear of that ever happening. :eh:
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Re: Mesh What?!!?? Hands, Heads & Breasts...wow

Postby Glaucon » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:51 am

Well, I am talking about the minority of those that actually made an effort, of course, not of the majority that still look newbie or that went for the basic Barbie-on-stilts-look.

I have nothing against someone using a mesh head. Those I have seen that did that did look good. But I feel it would be a petty if this were to be considered 'the way to go'. Honestly, the feet aside, I think that the best-looking female avatars can be the ones using no or little mesh (when not clothed), still, at the moment as well as those using mesh body-parts. (Even if the non-mesh ones have an angle here or there). If those making a serious effort mostly went for mesh heads, like they all went for mesh hair (which looks good, but some of the non-mesh hair still looks just as good), ending up with very similar faces, that would be a shame, I feel, from a 'visual RP' perspective.
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Re: Mesh What?!!?? Hands, Heads & Breasts...wow

Postby Glaucon » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:15 am

A standard system shape can be altered, right? Quite a few things you can do with it. And sure, maybe it is true that many skins cater to a certain look, mostly quite young, but there have been a lot of skins made. Those wanting to look a bit different should have plenty of options. And with the tattoo layers, a perfectionist doesn't need a whole lot of skills to make adjustments for him or herself.

I will accept what you said about there being more 'mature' looks around. I just haven't seen them yet (or noticed them yet). If mesh heads will allow for diversity, custom shapes, non-crappy expressions and such, I would be all for them. I just fear that, for the most part, it will be 2 or 3 creators selling heads that essentially look the same, regardless of customization options.
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Re: Mesh What?!!?? Hands, Heads & Breasts...wow

Postby Cassie » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:46 am

Glaucon wrote:I will accept what you said about there being more 'mature' looks around. I just haven't seen them yet (or noticed them yet). If mesh heads will allow for diversity, custom shapes, non-crappy expressions and such, I would be all for them. I just fear that, for the most part, it will be 2 or 3 creators selling heads that essentially look the same, regardless of customization options.


I find the concept of mature looking skins also quite relative at least in consideration to some heated debates with the lovely skin community fans.
You could check the ongoing skin fair to validate which is mature or not but in my opinion options for mature looking are out there and to some degree they are being used. The fact you see more younger looking people around is another topic.

I don't fear the mesh head because I am against innovation but since I already have to compromise the shape of my body for mesh clothing I was hoping at least to save the head.
There is a slight opportunity for diversity created by Slink and TheShops stores by allowing appliers and each skin does give you a slight new look so there is a larger chance of being different. But I am also against people needing to fight so much for being different because if forced it just brings more questionable results, I am not trying to be special I am try to look pretty under my own eyes screw the others. I don't care if I come across a similar looking person... just means we might get a long on taste.

The real issue is that unless you are willing to learn and make your own head you are left to take what is given and make the best of it.
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Re: Mesh What?!!?? Hands, Heads & Breasts...wow

Postby Kismet Reyes » Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:47 am

I figure that eventually LL and Mesh creators will figure out a way to have mesh heads rigged to the usual SL sliders that we use for the faces. thus enabling.. different faces made from the same mesh base.

Currently I'm anti the clone look.
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Re: Mesh What?!!?? Hands, Heads & Breasts...wow

Postby Sasi » Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:24 am

Actually, I made my own eyes and lips tattoos for my skin, because I didnt find exactly that I was looking for.

Too, I bought specific tattoos for some RP situations, like bruises, etc. I wonder how I would be able to use those with a mesh head, actually...
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Re: Mesh What?!!?? Hands, Heads & Breasts...wow

Postby Tantus » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:44 am

Mesh heads are still a bit 'barbie doll' for me, they glow and have shiny, plasticy skin... the peculiar factor is still too high on this one.
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Re: Mesh What?!!?? Hands, Heads & Breasts...wow

Postby Sasi » Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:51 pm

Another issue, with the SLink mesh head.. You cannot test it with the appliers demos proposed by skins creators.... So, if you buy the mesh head, but doesnt find an applier you really like because you were unable to test them, you're screwed...

And well.. More 2K, the mesh head...

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