Anarch Allegiere wrote:I'm not sure if it is what Morgus means but Gor for me has never just been 'only' roleplay either. But not in the sense that I expect anything in the sense of OOC.
I see it more in a way of trying to understand and getting to experience a philosophy that is completely counter to modern morality. This is why I don't agree with the usual opinion of: 'all RP must be consensual and enjoyable'
For me roleplaying in Gor is about trying to create and experience a world or lifestyle that you can't experience in RL. A challenging and dangerous place where by making the wrong moves, if you're an immersive roleplayer, you could end up enslaved against your will or, if you manage to face the challenge, could rise to the higher echelons of whatever gorean society you're living in.
But this experience is pretty hard to find in SL Gor between the pure 'lolz it's just for funsies'-roleplayers, the 'tea party safe-Gor IC/OOC blenders' and those who ignore immersion and think that traveling from north to south should be possible in a teleport and that running to the docks is enough to escape back home.
It does not make any difference what you want to feel in Gor or how you call it.
You want to "understand and getting to experience a philosophy that is completely counter to modern morality", while another may want to experience this "world of Gor with all it means and comes with it, including society, culture, way of thinking, tech level and its meanings" (which is about how I would call it as pure roleplayer). It is the same, it is and stays roleplay. You could even form a LARP group out in nearby forests, with a bunch of men and a few women who have cared for contraception and are open for rough BDSM sex, it is still roleplay.
Others come to Gor to experience either a D/s relation at all as they cannot find a partner for it in RL, or an even deeper, limitless D/s relation, the feeling of owning / being owned, the safety of doing what they would not dare (e.g. public nudity) in a surrounding that keeps their RL reputation clean and jail free. And all that best with a very handsome or ultra beautiful or cute character, looks they often cannot resemble in RL either. For those the surroundings of Gor as in Flora, Fauna, Building style, clothing etc. is rather generic, exchangeable. It just does not matter. Some people reduce the gaming platform on SL Gor sims to romance, pewpew, drinking tea/coffee/paga because they lack any skill or imagination to go beyond that, or a way to "be themselves on Gor", as cool as they want to be in their sayings and as clownlike they want to behave. Guess that is what Morgus meant as such not being Gor anymore.
In addition to that you have so strongly varying levels in RP skills, theme lore knowledge, imagination skills, logic skills, intelligence, style and other interests. You basically state some kind of sadness (which I feel likewise btw) because people do not give you your imagination, are not on your RP skill level or style, do not change their interest and reason for being there to your's or put their fun inferior to your fun. But who can say it is not upon you (and me) to adjust more to the maiority? The one that says that your (and my) fun is worth as much as their's, but while you can do romance, they appear often unable to do your ways - the topic about strong and weak links of a chain. Even that is relative though as it is on a game platform, and there must be concessions to it, the very basic differences of Gor and SL sims/Gor (e.g. Gor is not limited to sims, Gor does not only have 15.000 players or such). Also the perceptions of what is a valid concession to the platform and how far the imagined RP realism should go differ for all people.
Still though, vice versa, you gain fun from RP that is not needingly "consensual and enjoyable" for others, but who are you to plant your joy above others' while there are enough PvP shooters and MMORPGs out there in which you can down any quest spwan half-afk person 20 levels beneath you at your leisure. Roleplay still contains the word play, which indicated fun for those who do it. If one does not like Poker, they will not do it. If they do it, forced, it will not be a playing for them, but an enforced necessity.
I guess to attract the right people for one's own RP style is threefolded: ...
... to live it well visible also when it comes to own disadvantages and meaningful consequences, without bowing out by e.g. turning a cut throat, beheaded neck, into just a strong wound or something that happened to the poor soul aside you in the battle ranks - or, the classical, to bow out of enslavements the quick and easy way, especially as a man.
... find compromises that cater both when merging the concessions to the platform
... to seek players that are likeminded and stick with them exclusively