Mynerva wrote:Glaucon wrote:
I think that the fashion model ideal isn't really 'the ideal' for us, today (not for most men, certainly, probably not for most women - see the link to that article I posted in that other thread), but a peculiar ideal in it's own right, that dominates women's magazines and such.
I think you underestimate the power of those images the media puts out A LOT. There are so many....sooo many....very attractive women with great bodies who are constantly on diets to achieve that ideal of a size 0 or a size 1.
I do not doubt it's power or significance, but, as that article (this one: http://www.femininebeauty.info/femininity-and-beauty
) claimed, I don't think it is really OUR ideal, though our ideal will be influenced by it, of course.
As for the pumped up breasts and inflated lips of porn stars? In my mind that is about as far away as it gets from what my image is of the perfect gorean slave when I read JN's books.
I think that typical 'porn' tends to capture the 'lower end' common denominator taste of men, and then often fails to do a good job at it. A lot of men (I guess, Norman included) don't particularly like the pumped-up breast and inflated lips look of porn models, but... at the same time, I think that men DO like large breasts and luscious lips, which is why models in that industry try for that look. It is not as if that particular industry is characterized by a lot of intelligent participants or a great deal of perfectionism and good taste.
@ Bara: Didn't know that, though I did know that it was from that movie. One of the posters here has another picture from that movie as her avi picture, even (and I suspect it may have 'inspired' the panther girl image, but I could be wrong, since I don't know the exact years when which book was published by heart).
But my point is really... two different beauty ideals can exist simultaniously. Jennifer Lopez was picked as 'sexiest' woman some years ago, but she didn't quite fufill the 'fashion model' requirments.