The Gorean Forums Role Play Sim

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Re: The Gorean Forums Role Play Sim

Postby Harlequin » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:45 pm

We tried that with our tavern girls. Even the manly man "Warrior Spirit" types ignored them when they went out into the streets.

I'm sorry, but Gor only works when everyone is playing in the setting and most don't. And htat's cool, except for the slaves. They lack any agency, and thus even when they do go out to do something, find someone, get pretty ignored. I lost most of our tavern girls because people would actively avoid slaves, and when they would come into the tavern they would treat them like waitresses.

Except the one dude who hired one to cuddle. Srs.
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Re: The Gorean Forums Role Play Sim

Postby Sabina Takakura » Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:17 pm

Harlequin wrote:Except the one dude who hired one to cuddle. Srs.


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Re: The Gorean Forums Role Play Sim

Postby Leah » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:18 pm

Ceri the Urt wrote:Qingwen OMG, does this dress make me look fat! I peed a little reading that. LOL

What I would love to see is slaves who takes roles like those in the books.
Bath slaves
Tavern slaves
Flute slaves
Kettle girls
etc etc etc

And they need to focus on that role. No more "no one ever comes into the bath house and I am borreeedd"
Soooo I didn't say you had to stay IN the bath house! Walk around the city, find a Master and ask to inspect them for to see how clean they are, or if they have fleas, then try and seduce them into following you back TO the bath house. Make it a game for goodness sake, same thing with Tavern girls! Do you see what the girls in those old westerns do who work in whore houses, they lean out windows cat calling, they flash their boobs. They are flirty, and open and bold. You can make seriously awesome rp out of it if you actually "try" and not just sit around hoping someone walks into whatever establishment you live in.

Oh and if a Man walks into the tavern with his slave and orders her to get him a paga, and she does...run to get a guard and accuse him of being a thief! Don't be afraid to piss someone off now and then to preserve your rp environment. If there is a girl that wanders in bored, chase her out, or chain her up in a corner and wait for the owner to show up.

Seriously, I am so sick of the "I Never Get RP slaves"...Don't get it? Then friggin make it. Put some effort in for goodness sake.


That's great and all...but how do you "make" the RP when you get ignored or shut down when you try? I'm serious. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen slave RPers try to create similar RP, or even tried myself, and gotten shut down or were just completely ignored.

Not to mention that Bath slaves, Tavern slaves, Flute slaves, Kettle girls, etc, sound like fun...for one night. But when all you get is passing RP, and no one includes you in deeper storylines, those positions stop being appealing. And that's if you get noticed at all.

I've been in scenes where I repeatedly tried to be a part of the scene as more than just an ornament, giving people things to react to, etc, and I was just stone cold ignored for over an hour until I just gave up and went afk. Obviously no one actually wanted my RP, so I may as well just leave my avi there to be stared at since that's all slaves are apparently good for.

And this doesn't even go into the times I've seen slave RPers get punished - ooc - because of things that happened to their character ic. People getting upset with them for not "fading to black" or "telling people that's not okay" ooc and ending up yelling at the slave player for...gasp...playing along with the RP.

idk, man. Playing a slave sucks. Sure, you get to be cute and wear pretty outfits or run around buck ass naked, but that's about all you get to do.
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Re: The Gorean Forums Role Play Sim

Postby Tamar Luminos » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:46 pm

Leah wrote:
Ceri the Urt wrote:Qingwen OMG, does this dress make me look fat! I peed a little reading that. LOL

What I would love to see is slaves who takes roles like those in the books.
Bath slaves
Tavern slaves
Flute slaves
Kettle girls
etc etc etc

And they need to focus on that role. No more "no one ever comes into the bath house and I am borreeedd"
Soooo I didn't say you had to stay IN the bath house! Walk around the city, find a Master and ask to inspect them for to see how clean they are, or if they have fleas, then try and seduce them into following you back TO the bath house. Make it a game for goodness sake, same thing with Tavern girls! Do you see what the girls in those old westerns do who work in whore houses, they lean out windows cat calling, they flash their boobs. They are flirty, and open and bold. You can make seriously awesome rp out of it if you actually "try" and not just sit around hoping someone walks into whatever establishment you live in.

Oh and if a Man walks into the tavern with his slave and orders her to get him a paga, and she does...run to get a guard and accuse him of being a thief! Don't be afraid to piss someone off now and then to preserve your rp environment. If there is a girl that wanders in bored, chase her out, or chain her up in a corner and wait for the owner to show up.

Seriously, I am so sick of the "I Never Get RP slaves"...Don't get it? Then friggin make it. Put some effort in for goodness sake.


That's great and all...but how do you "make" the RP when you get ignored or shut down when you try? I'm serious. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen slave RPers try to create similar RP, or even tried myself, and gotten shut down or were just completely ignored.

Not to mention that Bath slaves, Tavern slaves, Flute slaves, Kettle girls, etc, sound like fun...for one night. But when all you get is passing RP, and no one includes you in deeper storylines, those positions stop being appealing. And that's if you get noticed at all.

I've been in scenes where I repeatedly tried to be a part of the scene as more than just an ornament, giving people things to react to, etc, and I was just stone cold ignored for over an hour until I just gave up and went afk. Obviously no one actually wanted my RP, so I may as well just leave my avi there to be stared at since that's all slaves are apparently good for.

And this doesn't even go into the times I've seen slave RPers get punished - ooc - because of things that happened to their character ic. People getting upset with them for not "fading to black" or "telling people that's not okay" ooc and ending up yelling at the slave player for...gasp...playing along with the RP.

idk, man. Playing a slave sucks. Sure, you get to be cute and wear pretty outfits or run around buck ass naked, but that's about all you get to do.


Oh wow, yeah...quoted all dat for truth. That's mostly been my experiences too, with a few great exceptions.
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Re: The Gorean Forums Role Play Sim

Postby Harlequin » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:24 am

Which is why I consistently say, stop doing "Gor". Work with what you like from there but do something that doesn't make bneing a slave such a shit-ass dead end experience.
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Re: The Gorean Forums Role Play Sim

Postby Lokiande » Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:39 am

I've actually found Gor fun to play in as an animal. I have raptors to pass as a High Tharlarion, a sleen, a verr, a wyvern to use as an Ul, as well as an archaeopterx for a young Tarn... If I can afford it, I could use a Harpy avatar to use as a Tarntaurous!

Of course, this all depends on getting my laptop fixed.
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Re: The Gorean Forums Role Play Sim

Postby Pepper » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:36 am

There's a lot I want to respond to, so please bear with me and my long and/or repeated posts here.

Sabina Takakura wrote:There are going to be dipwads no matter what sim. Always. I'm not opposed to noobs, we were all there once, but make it an application process for higher positions. Instead of anyone who can swing their epeen around claiming they are master of all gor, make them apply for it. If you want into this power house, you apply as the daughter/son/whatever. That way the heads of those houses can expand, connect, and contain. Every other sim in SL does this, and succeeds. There is no reason it can't happen in Gor.


There's no reason it shouldn't happen in Gor, but there is a reason it doesn't. Nobody has broken the mold yet. Sims have tried and to some extent, have succeeded in smaller changes, but not to this extent. It'll be resisted simply because Gorean rpers are in the mindset of there being one correct way to do something. It has to be per the books, strictly, or it's Disney and we'll snub our elite noses at you. That flows over into the "rules" of Gorean rp. That's not the way it's done, so we're going to write you off as worthless and stupid and go play in our sim, which has 45k traffic because we allow women to wear their hair long and sleep with half the sim. Point being: it's a big hill to climb, but it can be done.

Sabina Takakura wrote:The problem with this is, nobody dies. That's the reason they live forever. While I'd be pissed if I died from a meter kill, if I died realistically through RP? I'd take it. Enforce that. It might be unpopular, but again.. Gor can maybe stop being the land of mary sue if we stop treating it like it is that. When you die, you die. I would keep it as ICA = ICC and "reasonable right to life" but make it clear that death can happen.


I've always liked the idea of possible death for our characters. I've been playing perm-death for years, and some of my best scenes have been those heart wrenching, gut churning death scenes. But this brings us back to the comment "Many typists aren't roleplaying". Regardless, I would always agree with any sims decision to uphold perm death within reasonable right to life.

Sabina Takakura wrote:I think that's an option, sure. I would always prefer handling something like that IC rather than OOC. I think in addition to this, we need to make RP available for these characters. Free women in the novels often played enormously powerful roles. Sure they ended up badly, but that doesn't mean they can't at least hold some power while they're there. Referring back to the factions issue, with separate factions there would be more of a political game for the free women. Go in, get that companionship, squeeze out a kid, gain $$ for your home faction.
Set it up from the start so that it isn't expected that women are simpering wallflowers or slaves.


This is something you'll need a lot of support from male characters and rpers for. The worst thing a man can play, imo, is "You dare talk to me like that? How about if I put you on your knees where you belong, wench? You're only free because I allow it", blah blah. I get that it might be in some characters asshole personality, but it's really common in almost every sim I go to, that if a woman disagrees or speaks her mind, she's thrust to the ground, face stripped and collared and is supposed to just go along with the roleplay. That might be ok if she's a peasant woman, but there needs to be a way for men to show deference to women of higher caste/higher power than they are. So far, that's severely lacking in Gor. It's just a game of "Let's see what man in the sim collars the new scribe first."
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Re: The Gorean Forums Role Play Sim

Postby Pepper » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:52 am

Ceri the Urt wrote:Qingwen OMG, does this dress make me look fat! I peed a little reading that. LOL

What I would love to see is slaves who takes roles like those in the books.
Bath slaves
Tavern slaves
Flute slaves
Kettle girls
etc etc etc

And they need to focus on that role. No more "no one ever comes into the bath house and I am borreeedd"
Soooo I didn't say you had to stay IN the bath house! Walk around the city, find a Master and ask to inspect them for to see how clean they are, or if they have fleas, then try and seduce them into following you back TO the bath house. Make it a game for goodness sake, same thing with Tavern girls! Do you see what the girls in those old westerns do who work in whore houses, they lean out windows cat calling, they flash their boobs. They are flirty, and open and bold. You can make seriously awesome rp out of it if you actually "try" and not just sit around hoping someone walks into whatever establishment you live in.

Oh and if a Man walks into the tavern with his slave and orders her to get him a paga, and she does...run to get a guard and accuse him of being a thief! Don't be afraid to piss someone off now and then to preserve your rp environment. If there is a girl that wanders in bored, chase her out, or chain her up in a corner and wait for the owner to show up.

Seriously, I am so sick of the "I Never Get RP slaves"...Don't get it? Then friggin make it. Put some effort in for goodness sake.


That's very easy to say. In fact, at one point I could have written this post myself. It seems logical. If you want more or better rp, go out and get it. And to some extent, you're right but not completely.

This is when we get into the complexity of typists. I would say this is spot on to the slave typist that sits on her knees along the side of the road, watching people go by, throwing out an occasional "Tal Master", then complains that nobody rp's with her.

This doesn't pertain at all to slave typists that do put themselves out there, that do create and even master some of the more specialized slave roles, and still get ignored and put aside and walked past.

I've played a bath slave, a flute slave, a library slave, a display slave, an inn slave, a cooks slave, a tavern slave, a woman's slave, a high slave, domestic slave, an Ubars slave, a first slave and a princess slave (It was 2007, don't judge me). Each time I put myself out there. I researched my role and played it to the best of my abilities. Each time I got the same thing. Ignored. Patted on the head and walked by. Men would rather play Catch the FW than really rp with a slave. Unless you're going to his bed, they don't know what to do with you. I finally said something in one of the last sims I was in, telling people in group chat that it's ok to rp with the slave sweeping the street. Nothing. Unless I was going to play red silk for their 20 min porn rp, they wanted nothing to do with me. I had a little gang storyline going and tried to blackmail the panties off another slave so that I could barter for something else I needed in an attempt to win power over the dominant slave in my chain. The slave got so upset with me bullying her IC, that she left the sim. Even the slaves don't know how to rp with the slaves. So that's all fine and dandy to lay it all on the slave typist and say they just need to work harder, but this street goes two ways. All those non-slave typists need to broaden their rp minds and include a slave in their schemes and plots.

I am done with playing slaves. I'd rather have men try to collar me as a FW than have my rp time spent reading others rp while I kneel silently alongside the group that's totally ignoring my presence.

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Re: The Gorean Forums Role Play Sim

Postby FeorieFrimon » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:57 am

I'm not trying to 'hate', and really I'm not, but this is the Gorean Forums. So, we are talking about making a Gorean sim.

There are a lot of super bad ass people that post on these forums, with super bad ass friends. I think we can figure out how to make a fun -Gorean- sim.

I proposed the idea for all of us to work together to come up with something cool in this genre that people obviously love to play in.

People like to play slaves. It doesn't always have to suck. I've had experiences as a slave both ways. And Ceri brought up good points. I'd even add that, slave girls; there are a lot of OTHER people to play with other than dudes. If all of you RP is centered around male avatars, you are going to be bored. A lot. I think the ratio right now is 1 dude 5 female avatars.

Hell, I talked to my friend Zira the other day about a group of slave girls that played with each other as a crew, or a slave gang. Um-awesome! Epic idea and different! And penis free!

Here's the thing; you don't want to have to play in the theme, or play a slave, or agree with it for that matter. But, can we keep the 'naysaying' about Gor to a minimum? I mean, at least about the genre? In this thread? It's like shooting the idea in the foot before the conversation even started.

Use your evil genius to help us fix the problems so we can Gor it up with some of the best RPers on the grid.
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Re: The Gorean Forums Role Play Sim

Postby Lacey » Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:27 am

I'm in, but am I even a gorums person? :lol: Probably not on Lacey though. It is going to be okay for me to play in Port Kar on Lacey and another avatar in this new place as someone else? I've been playing Lacey for a really long time now. I get what you guys are saying about all the stuff that made sense then that doesn't now with your characters. I tend to "write it off" if it doesn't make sense anymore. I don't loose what she might act like after the fact I just don't mention it anymore. See I figure by the time I find a new place to play she's a couple years older at least. It wouldn't matter anymore. She lost her brand five real life months after the kajira saga. Not been collared since (some people might think so though, there was this scene but it didn't happen after they left).

I might come as a man and try that again. If I cannot work my head around being in character with him though, I might come as a slave. The last time I tried playing a man I found it difficult.

I like the idea of different houses and story tellers getting some conflict going. I know people grow bored with stories taking a really long time to unfold out but I sort of like longtime stories. I'm working two jobs right now and I really hate when I make it online finally and a story is completely over with or so much has happened that I'm completely out of it because I cannot keep up. Especially whenever that story involves me or will have influence on my character. I could give a lot of examples as to why I feel this way with thirty minute game changers as soon as I logged out but I won't. It peeves me.

Meters or meter optional or no meters? The meters would be cool to have for fighting RP between the houses and I think most RPers and not those who have more fun on GE will be happy with a fight they can make happen themselves at least once a week. Raids from one sim to another are always fun but just that, fun. You never know where you might end up if your capped from one of those raids and more often than not, I end up someplace I'd rather not have been. It gets even worse when it's a sim you had popped into to read the rules just to really hurry up and teleport away as quickly as possible. Also I don't tend to like them because hardly ever is there a story to generate from them. Sure you could role play out your slavery from it, if you can stand to be a slave on the new sim. You could even leave the sim you had picked to role play on and join the one where you are then but you've got rent on the other sim and a whole group. So three days later your back home and role playing a bruise or memory loss for the third time that year.

Port kar used to be where you could go AFK during the raids or OOC on your meter if you didn't want to play. I'd do one and continue doing what role play I was doing before while raiders popped in and "stole" stuff. I'd role play that taking into account what they stole, some of which I didn't even know we had. :lol: After it got re owned again, your not allowed to do that, they want you to "role play" the situation. So I do, I lock myself in a secret room behind a bookshelf and wait for them to leave. It's just not role play to me, it's a group that wants to meter fight with our group and when it is all done they have no idea what to do with whatever chicks they've taken. This is why a sort of ways for one or two houses to attack other houses might be funner to me. At least I can still be in a sim I like and there would be opportunities for it to have an actual role play reason.
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