Architeuthis wrote:That's the point though, Vic. Maybe if people knew that certain behavior wouldn't fly then being banned would be a much bigger deal. As it is now people already act like complete dicks because they can always go somewhere else.
Anarch Allegiere wrote:When I hear the stories from people who roleplayed back in those days when there only were a handful of gorean sims, it's not all that grand.
Getting banned from all 5 gorean sims in existance because you slapped an Ubar's slave? No thanks... Ice Bradley has a great story of back in those days with Luther (from the scrolls) threatening to get him banned from entire SL Gor, iirc.
Even if today we'd keep only the 5 most active BtB Gorean sims and removed the rest none of them would get along with eachother or want to have anything to do with eachother. They'd still send over people to try and OOC grief eachother as they do today.
Victor. wrote:Add an extended IP ban to it or whatever it'd be to make sure someone from that very location won't ever gain access on that sim again no matter how many alts and modem resets he goes through and you'd probably look at a community suddenly much more mature and pleasant-natured (ESPECIALLY when it comes to conflict situations ICly).
Architeuthis wrote:Victor. wrote:Add an extended IP ban to it or whatever it'd be to make sure someone from that very location won't ever gain access on that sim again no matter how many alts and modem resets he goes through and you'd probably look at a community suddenly much more mature and pleasant-natured (ESPECIALLY when it comes to conflict situations ICly).
I don't know if it's possible to IP ban someone from your sim in SL or not. But regardless those things can easily be worked around so I don't think it would make much of a difference TBH.
The idea that sexism can only come from a man is priceless.
Alright, then your information gathered from people who have played in GoT have been noted. I only offered my information from good female roleplayers who don't want to rp as a slave but don't like the wardrobe restrictions of SL Gor when it comes to FW. In Kaelus you have no idea how much crap we had to deal with when it came to playing fashion police for the FW.Kaitlin wrote:
My point is that you completely discounted reason 1-100 for not coming to play in gor and went right for a rather nonsensical one. They can't wear veils or show cleavage. I know plenty of players who have left Gor for GoT and plenty that would never set foot in Gor that play in GoT. You can bet the reasons I've heard have nothing to do with "I have to wear a veil".
So in the GoT series you see noble women sleeping around in public? The same noble women with husbands or prospects of marriage? That is news to me.
Did you really just say that? I'll remember to add hugs and kisses to my future posts. If you want to read more than what is really here then I'll say again, fill your boots.
Does it matter? Really? Same number of players.
The argument was made that a new meter would attract exactly the type of players that Gor needs to become something more than the current state by Blackwolf and then Glaucon. The answer is the same whether you are all happy about a new meter or you think it is more of the same cover for lack of creativity in RP. The latter is me of course.
It makes sense that we would look at this differently. You spend a lot of your time using/enjoying metered combat. I have spent a lot of my time on empty sims that are the general fallout of metered combat.
Gor is already viewed as an immature RP genre and more people running around with blazing arrows only to disappear from the sim when raiding is over on their new fancy meter isn't going to improve that image and open the door for that leeching you seem to think is possible. I see this new meter as described only attracting low level and new non-roleplayers with the manufactured scenes that were proposed when we first started debating this idea. More mature RPers might tolerate the meter in much the same way I do the current meter but it would not be an addition to their RP. I suspect there might also be a healthy level of derision when these type of players interact...the one who is getting cues from the meter for RP and the player who enjoys crafting creative scenarios.
If you could gin up a meter that somehow could perform the role of lore master/game master then I might view this in a more positive fashion.
Theoden wrote:You are making a straw man argument. I never said noble women slept around in public. But if they were caught a harlot, sleeping with many men behind the scenes, basically being a slut, she wouldn't be freaking collared, stripped and made to be a slave for the rest of her life. She would just be shunned, maybe.
With such a drastic contrast in consequences towards expression of a key human behavior of one of the two sexes, you can't really argue that they are almost exactly the same.
Theoden wrote:Maybe we are talking in circles. Let me for arguments sake quantify it.
1 to 10
Gor high caste FW 5
GoT nobles 6
You, I am thinking, are making it
Gor high caste FW 5.50
GoT nobles 5.75
Is that right or am I off?
Theoden wrote:I have no boots, and there are no hug emotes. Your argument is invalid
Theoden wrote:Kaelus had meter activity as well, just no city/sim level-raiding. So you were not partial to it all, but overall I'm sure most Kaelus admin members would agree with me that the fact that the sim was required to have a meter (to resolve personal conflicts/give the warriors something to play with in the skybox battles) was part of why it had such a high traffic.
Lydius Port started off with unmetered, it hovered around 10k and then it plummeted. By the time it went metered, it was too late.
Kaitlin wrote:I think you need combat as part of the sim picture and starting out as a non-metered sim is asking to get relegated to the bottom of the pile for consideration (Lydius is a good example)
Kaitlin wrote:What is with you and Glaucon creating antagonists where none exist?
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