Pregnancy and Kids RP - Should it be allowed on BtB sims?

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Pregnancy and Kids RP - Should it be allowed on BtB sims?

1. Yes
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1. Yes
12
26%
2. No
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24%
2. No
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24%
 
Total votes: 46
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Re: Pregnancy and Kids RP - Should it be allowed on BtB sims

Postby Glaucon » Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:20 pm

@ Hawt: Let's be fair: It doesn't HAVE TO be the Brady bunch. Stuff involving children and stuff could be anything, from 'normal' to bleak, dramatic, tragic, harsh. In theory, a FW might play a role of a mother that cannot bring herself to love her children, or loves them so much she goes too far in protecting them. Plenty of interesting options. It can result in realistic and good RP that I would not have any issue with (and I doubt you would really have an issue with it). In theory, the whole children thing might also be something that only plays a background role. A good RP-er can do good stuff with it, nevermind what the prim-luv-baby-cuddly-Brady-Bunch-moms do with (even if there are perhaps a lot of those). Norman may not felt like writing about this stuff, and it is clearly not at the core of what makes the Gorean theme what it is, but there is no need to follow Norman in what he writes about, we can simply RP in his world.

A few bad apples spoils the bunch, is the saying. But we are letting them spoil the bunch, by looking at the bunch as a bunch, and not as individual apples. As far as I am concerned, the fact that 10 people play something in a way that is annoying doesn't mean that we should assume that the 11th will do the same.

The only thing I have an issue with is the idea (not endorsed publicly by anyone here) that good by the books RP by FW SHOULD involve any of this stuff.
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Re: Pregnancy and Kids RP - Should it be allowed on BtB sims

Postby Hawt Sommer » Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:24 pm

Glaucon wrote:@ Hawt: Let's be fair: It doesn't HAVE TO be the Brady bunch. Stuff involving children and stuff could be anything, from 'normal' to bleak, dramatic, tragic, harsh. In theory, a FW might play a role of a mother that cannot bring herself to love her children, or loves them so much she goes too far in protecting them. Plenty of interesting options. It can result in realistic and good RP that I would not have any issue with (and I doubt you would really have an issue with it). In theory, the whole children thing might also be something that only plays a background role. A good RP-er can do good stuff with it, nevermind what the prim-luv-baby-cuddly-Brady-Bunch-moms do with (even if there are perhaps a lot of those). Norman may not felt like writing about this stuff, and it is clearly not at the core of what makes the Gorean theme what it is, but there is no need to follow Norman in what he writes about, we can simply RP in his world.

A few bad apples spoils the bunch, is the saying. But we are letting them spoil the bunch, by looking at the bunch as a bunch, and not as individual apples. As far as I am concerned, the fact that 10 people play something in a way that is annoying doesn't mean that we should assume that the 11th will do the same.

The only thing I have an issue with is the idea (not endorsed publicly by anyone here) that good by the books RP by FW SHOULD involve any of this stuff.


So, does this mean I can come wearing my cowboy boots and sunglasses?

That isn't the norm, Nor is love in a Gorean companionship.

I don't have a problem with people playing romantic earth-like love in their gorean companionships- But I'm calling them out on what they are in By the Book rp sims: Hypocrites.
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Re: Pregnancy and Kids RP - Should it be allowed on BtB sims

Postby ... » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:11 pm

If butt secks is off the table in Gor now, I'm going to Crack Den.
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Re: Pregnancy and Kids RP - Should it be allowed on BtB sims

Postby Glaucon » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:13 pm

@ Hawt: Difference between the cowboy boots on the one hand, and pregnancies, births, children and so forth on the other is pretty obvious. No cowboys on Gor. And, according to the books, lots of pregancies, births and children on Gor, even if the stories in the books don't deal with that stuff.

To bring up an example I used previously: We don't see anyone taking a dump in the books. But it is pretty clear that people took dumps on Gor. So, if someone wants to RP out taking a dump, it is still 'by the books'. Let them. Though I would not blame you for not wanting to get involved in that RP.

:megapoo:

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Re: Pregnancy and Kids RP - Should it be allowed on BtB sims

Postby Hawt Sommer » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:36 am

Glaucon wrote:To bring up an example I used previously: We don't see anyone taking a dump in the books.... :megapoo:

@ Oor: Don't forget the vaseline.


Astro-Glide Oor! (it was page 59 - Ass-bangers of Gor. Specially developed by the Priest Kings)

And.. I'll make you a bet Glaucon.

I bet more women have crapped out babies in SL Gor than Crap.

Personally- It's all crap to me and ruins my fantasy of a crap-free / leave it to beaver-free / baby-free Gor.
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Re: Pregnancy and Kids RP - Should it be allowed on BtB sims

Postby Glaucon » Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:36 pm

Hawt Sommer wrote:And.. I'll make you a bet Glaucon.

I bet more women have crapped out babies in SL Gor than Crap.


Not going to take that bet. But you got my point. ;)

Personally- It's all crap to me and ruins my fantasy of a crap-free / leave it to beaver-free / baby-free Gor.


My fantasies aren't so easily ruined by seeing a dirty diaper, I guess.
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Re: Pregnancy and Kids RP - Should it be allowed on BtB sims

Postby Architeuthis » Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:51 pm

SL Gor is an adult game played by (chronologically) adult people, hence the "adult" rating so many sims get. While it makes sense that things like childbirth and family could be part of a character's story, certain things just don't belong in an adult setting. Pregnancy is teeth clenchingly tolerable when handled in the correct way but child avatars should never be allowed for a myriad of reasons.

Specifically, child avatars running around while adult characters are raping, murdering, drinking, swearing, fighting, fucking, etc etc etc creates a slew of moral and ethical issues.

And the nude slaves with their hoo hah's out in full view in front of little Johnny and Susie, getting spanked, whipped, collared et al? Uh uh. Noooo bueno.

LL has also very aggressively gone after sims and sim owners for anything that looks like kiddie porn so unless a sim owner is out of their minds I can't see them going for this sort of roleplay regardless if the intentions are benign or not.
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Re: Pregnancy and Kids RP - Should it be allowed on BtB sims

Postby Hawt Sommer » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:10 pm

Glaucon wrote:My fantasies aren't so easily ruined by seeing a dirty diaper, I guess.


That's cool. I understand that there are some people into poo. ;)
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Re: Pregnancy and Kids RP - Should it be allowed on BtB sims

Postby Leah » Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:46 pm

Blackwolf wrote:SL Gor is an adult game played by (chronologically) adult people, hence the "adult" rating so many sims get. While it makes sense that things like childbirth and family could be part of a character's story, certain things just don't belong in an adult setting. Pregnancy is teeth clenchingly tolerable when handled in the correct way but child avatars should never be allowed for a myriad of reasons.

Specifically, child avatars running around while adult characters are raping, murdering, drinking, swearing, fighting, fucking, etc etc etc creates a slew of moral and ethical issues.

And the nude slaves with their hoo hah's out in full view in front of little Johnny and Susie, getting spanked, whipped, collared et al? Uh uh. Noooo bueno.

LL has also very aggressively gone after sims and sim owners for anything that looks like kiddie porn so unless a sim owner is out of their minds I can't see them going for this sort of roleplay regardless if the intentions are benign or not.


Has anyone - no, seriously, anyone - advocated that there should be child avatars on Gorean sims?

Because I haven't seen it. Everyone so far has agreed that's no bueno. Why do people keep harping on it?!
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Re: Pregnancy and Kids RP - Should it be allowed on BtB sims

Postby Hawt Sommer » Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:56 pm

That Caffa place that was around for a bit had child avatars. I'm thinking that is the next progression in the "Gorean Pregnancy" debate here.

Linden Labs has a strict set of rules and they were able to pull it off... by having certain restrictions in their sim rules- But damn was that creepy when I RP'ed there a couple times.

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You know theres a lot of other sims you can crap out your 20,000 linden commercialized SL babies so you can feel that mommy thing for whatever reason you want to feel that.

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