There was an Ubar but my character rarely saw him, most of his dealings were with the Ubara, the Ubara had the aura of a...Ubara so my character followed his orders.
Furthermore, Pelopidas was a barbarian of Greek origins. Him being Greek meant that he had a healthy predisposition towards being alpha/dom/leader personality while at the same time maintaining a healthy respect for strong women.
I guess the best examble i could master to explain it is a scene from 300 Spartans. In one of the first scenes the Persian messenger argues with King Leonidas and at some point the Queen cut's in, speaking her mind. The messenger is shocked demanding an explanation and the Queen answers that she can speak like that cause only Spartan women give birth to real men.
This episode highlights the degree of influence women have in Greek society even today.
The men are so supposed to be alphas, that there isnt even a distinction between men, alpha men, sub men, dom men etc. Culturally they are expected to be dom, the term male it self has that normative meaning. Yes kinda old fashioned, it also doesnt mean the men are that way really, as i said, just what's culturally expected, an identity they try to mold them selves into.
The women on the other hand, while wanting their men to be alphas, well, they are nothing like Gorean women
They have their place, they accept the men as leaders, they want them to be, but they yeld a tremendous degree of influence and oh boy dont you piss them off. Iv long argued that the Greek army should have send not a detachment of soldiers in Afghanistan but couple platoons of pissed Greek grandmothers and housewives
So, to sum it up, Pelopidas, the Greek, had no problem being who he was, alpha, confident, a leader, who would train men, attack cities, plot alliances and conspiracies while cracking jokes when he could, and at the same time, yes, following orders from a woman he saw as worthy of following.
Now, since the ooc thing was brought up, im talking about Gwen the character.
And to be honest, i was always more comfortable with my view which i found way more nuanced than those of the books, when it came to women in power. Well, i shouldnt say the books, i should say the purists i see dominating this topic too.
The thing is, it takes a great leap of logic and fantasy to argue that you know what your character do. You so fucking have no idea. You really dont, it would be a different universe, a different character, it would really be. So what's happening is that you got a bunch of people seeing their Gorean character through the lences of their preferences of how the rp should be. And, you guessed it, that's subjective.
So people run around saying things like "my character is doing that, doesnt follow orders from a woman cause he is Gorean" when they should be saying "my character is doing that, doesnt follow orders from a woman, cause thats why i, the person behind the character, with my very erthy preferences, want to roleplay like that".
The first sentence is an intolerant hypocrisy, the 2nd i could live with.
Ofc i had no such issues since i was playing a Greek
, which, ironically, many people found very...Gorean, and when they told me such and such in ims, those free women especially, you know who you are, i took as an insult.
And i did so because people tend to read the books in black/white discotomies, they tend to find meaning they are seeking, they tend to cling to that meaning, they invest emotionaly in it, they get inspired or whatever, they get emotional, and then they tend to miss the nuances, that even those badly written books have, or they miss how re-creating an imaginary society through rp should be more nuanced, beyond the archetypes and generalizations of the books, as every real society really is.
Unless people understand that, they're gonna be quote arguing ad infinitum