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Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:59 pm
by Sasi
Cassie wrote:Being BTB is rather questionable and limited by SL and the amoutn of people we play with.
Companion to a panther might not be realistic but we also don't have the necessary amount of citizens to play every role we require.


Playing in the respect of the culture, customs and mentalities as described in the books is always possible in SL. The difference is that SL allows us to give more depth to our characters, in the expression of their emotions.

Playing a snowflake character has nothing to do with the amount of players. Too, for adding to the realism of a background, the NPC is your friend.

Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:59 pm
by Cassie
Sasi wrote:
Playing a snowflake character has nothing to do with the amount of players. Too, for adding to the realism of a background, the NPC is your friend.


Geee, if I have to NPC my companion when I can get some human connection for a light bending seems really tight BTB. To each their preference but if I can connect well to someone who... is say an Outlaw I will at least try to talk into managing some compromise to make eachother's backgrounds work in a city complex.

I rather companion and outlaw than talk to a scribe wearing Lolas add-on on her dress, preferences... each of us in the end decides what is BTB.

The only appropriate way for me to belive my "believe" in BTB is correct is couting the number of people I get along with in BTB Gor rp and considering that number I think I'm pretty BTB. Strenght in numbers.

Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:09 am
by Sasi
I am sorry, but why a FW would companion an outlaw? It is a non sense, unrealistic....

A FW would never companion an outlaw, nor a man of lower caste and most often, anyway, she will companion a man of her caste.

If you have an OOC relationship with another player and want to companion his character, the simple solution is that one of you make some changes to the character's background.

And for an outlaw, it would be more plausible, if the woman loves him, that she submits to him...

Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:29 am
by Idunn Sabra
Sasi
If I recall well Marlenus proposed Verna (a panther girl - outlaw) to become an Ubara of Ar.

Of course she would stop be an outlaw once she accepts his offer, does not change a fact that even books allowed this what you call as unrealistic.

Cheers.

Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:45 am
by Mynerva
Idunn Sabra wrote:Sasi
If I recall well Marlenus proposed Verna (a panther girl - outlaw) to become an Ubara of Ar.

Of course she would stop be an outlaw once she accepts his offer, does not change a fact that even books allowed this what you call as unrealistic.

Cheers.



I do not believe this is a valid comparison. I agree with Sasi on this one. Being the Ubar - he could basically do whatever he wanted. Just some woman - who would most likely need the blessing of her male family members to do anything - and is heavily dependent on her standing in her city and society - completely different story - not even in the same universe.

Some woman FCing an outlaw - and then said outlaw most likely strutting around the city telling everyone who wants to know what a big bad outlaw he is.....no, not really...... :thumbdown:

I always wonder why people do not have more imagination. If she does happen to fall in love with an outlaw IC - why not work on making him respectable - or at least come up with an IC lie to make him FC material. ANYTHING.....besides just straight up throwing this shit in people's faces and not expect them to just shake their heads and walks away.

If the two players connect OOC and want to play companions IC - make a new character that is not an outlaw and knock yourself out!

Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:53 am
by Mynerva
UmewakaKotori wrote:My personal opinion is that people should be able to use their own creativity to add things to the SL take on Gor. No world is static, and culture evolves.


What does that mean to your role play and role play in general?

I do have a problem with that whole "cultures evolve argument." I give you and example. If I really really enjoy role playing the high middle ages - I like everything about it, the culture, the dress, the way people talked, interacted with each other, the religious background - just all of it. Now I search for a place that advertised to be high middle age rp. I get there and I see people with clothing that would fit more into the Victorian time, the way people engage, the things they know, how they view the world....is reminiscent of the age of enlightenment. But I am looking for my favorite role play - the high middle ages! So in the end if all cultures we play evolve - then we will all have the same thing on every sim - no matter what the sim is described at. That is incredibly boring! When I want gorean role play - I want gorean role play - not some evolved version that is simply not gorean anymore.

If I want the high middle ages - I do not want Victorian, Enlightenment, or the 21st century.

Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:25 am
by Anarch Allegiere
People can roleplay anything they want. It's not the snowflake characters that are 'by the books' or not, it's how the other people will react to them in roleplay that determines wether the scenes will be by the book or not.

The books themselves are full with 'snowflakes' and constantly characters being added in every next book that breaks the rules established in the previous ones ... else there'd been no stories to write.

When you IC enforce a culture it'll do more to add to the gorean theme than when you try to OOC enforce it.

Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:58 am
by Glaucon
I don't get the outlaw issue (well, I do, but bear with me): if the FW from a city were to companion an outlaw, with him staying an outlaw... they would not 'companion', formally. He is an outlaw, and thus, not within the city law. So, she would become an outlaw as well. And if he related to her as a free woman (and not a slave), she would effectively be free, so, effectively, a free woman (though with no effective legal status withing the city, making her the equal of any woman that isn't a free woman of a city and yet not acting like a slave, which, in my mind, would number many women on Gor).

And then you'd have a female outlaw! :shock: :o :fleeflee:

Which, of course, is perfectly by the books (assuming she didn't turn into a a GE femlaw, but continued playing as a normal gorean (free) woman, not a female commando with high heels, crossbows up her ass and biker gear and such), but which, naturally, isn't allowed in BtB Gor. :thumbup:

Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:44 am
by JackoS
Hmmm don't want to sound too pesimistic, but in the first place, if we are in a btb environment can someone explain to me how can a FW (high or low caste doesn't matter, just a normal respectable FW) ever get to meet an outlaw, let alone meet him well enough to fall in love?

I mean, usually FW don't leave their cities, some are not allowed in the books to not even leave their quarters. And when they leave the cities they are heavily escorted and usually not allowed to talk to anybody.

It seems to me that such an occurrence would be very rare, if not nearly impossible in the books. Yes I know, maybe in book 47, Outlaw Love of Gor John Norman will show us an example, but I don't think most FW would ever even consider talking to an outlaw. And by the way, if someone says that the outlaw enters the city, well most outlaws enter the city just to end up in a stick... :mrgreen:

Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:38 pm
by Mynerva
Glaucon wrote:I don't get the outlaw issue (well, I do, but bear with me): if the FW from a city were to companion an outlaw, with him staying an outlaw... they would not 'companion', formally. He is an outlaw, and thus, not within the city law. So, she would become an outlaw as well. And if he related to her as a free woman (and not a slave), she would effectively be free, so, effectively, a free woman (though with no effective legal status withing the city, making her the equal of any woman that isn't a free woman of a city and yet not acting like a slave, which, in my mind, would number many women on Gor).

And then you'd have a female outlaw! :shock: :o :fleeflee:


You are right - if it was played like that - I could go with that.

BUT - usually those kinds of things look more like that.

Beautiful female physician (merchant, scribe, take your pick) meets dangerous, brooding outlaw who hangs around her city. They start having tea together and lots of flirting is soon to follow. Then he courts her - while still being all dark and dangerous of course. Then the companion - often with a ceremony where half the sim is invited - she looks her usual beautiful self, and he is still dark and dangerous and wears lots of weapons.

The woman never even thinks about being ashamed - hell, she is in love! She never even thinks of leaving her city and living the outlaw life because she would be afraid of being thrown in jail or enslaved by the enraged locals - oh hell no - she is in love and everyone should accept her FC - because damned she loves him and wants to play out her love story!

The end :innocent: