The thin red line for BTB RP

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How close should the RP be to the Books

RP should be exactly as the books, even the characters and names
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RP should be exactly as the books, even the characters and names
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RP should be Close to the books, with freedom of making one's character
23
37%
RP should be Close to the books, with freedom of making one's character
23
37%
RP should be at a distance from the books not to mix up their characters to the roleplayers'
3
5%
RP should be at a distance from the books not to mix up their characters to the roleplayers'
3
5%
RP should be further off from any written character or even the opposite
0
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RP should be further off from any written character or even the opposite
0
No votes
RP should only use the theme and background of the books nothing more
5
8%
RP should only use the theme and background of the books nothing more
5
8%
 
Total votes: 62
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Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Postby Glaucon » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:09 pm

@ JackoS:

I don't disagree with most of what you said. You are right, in principle, anyone not of a particular city might be seen as fair game by those from that city (in that regard, it doesn't really matter if they are outlaw or not), though it is also clear that being from another city might lend respectability, especially if that city had good relations with the other city.

About commerce and such: I agree that Gor is probably a lot like the ancient world before the emergence of the roman empire (with Ar of course being the obvious 'potential future Rome'). But I think you should not underestimate the level of trade that went on around the mediteranian before the Pax Romana. There WAS extensive trade between the cities, then, even if they were politically independent and often at war with each other. Sure, there were pirates. But there were pirates because they had commercial shipping to raid. The Greeks spread much of their trading culture to their colonies and to other area. The slave trade was a 'global' one (even if the globe was much smaller, back then, figuratively speaking), for example. I don't think you can compare the pre-roman classical world with the medieval world (especially in what used to be the western and northern parts of the Roman empire, after it divided and much of it collapsed). The decline in the west was really quite remarkable.

As for the caste system: Sure, it might ensure a degree of autarky. But some castes themselves clearly rely on good or resources from outside the city. Clearly, most gorean cities would not allow themselves to become too 'mercantile', as that would erode civic spirit and threaten the long-term strength of that city (I am translating Norman in my own words, here). Most, at least. But there is certainly a 'pull' towards commercialisation, in the Gor norman describes, as evidenced by the relative importance of merchant law in some cities.

As for the priest kings... clearly, they do want conflict, and small scale strive, not large scale empire-building. They would NOT want Gor to be controlled by merchant houses, bankers and international monetary funds. No Pax Ar either. But at the same time, the author seems to feel 'competition', including economic competition is useful and good, part of the great survival of the most D/s... I mean fittest, sorry, and thus a natural part of Gor (I am not sure what he has the PK's say about it, specifically, they got a bit quiet after the first few books). A degree of self-sufficiency, especially as compared to cities in present day earth... sure. But trade IS still a major part of cities. And with trade come 'strangers'. Foreigners, staying in cities they are not a citizen of (much like Athens, which had many foreigners living there permanently, along side citizens and slaves).

And all of those factors, as well as cities simply being large and means of identification being mostly absent would naturally mean that it would not be hard for a stranger to enter a city, even if he was an outlaw. Hell, cities seem to even let bloody ASSASSINS walk their streets unchallenged, when they are wearing a mark. Why would some man they don't know the homestone of be such a big deal? From what I remember from the books, Norman leaves it pretty vague on how cities would go about 'screening' for outlaws. But I do remember many characters showing up where they were not supposed to be, disguised or not.

And as for male slaves... sure, there would be A demand (though I don't think that a male slave would fetch close to the amount of money that a pleasure slave might fetch). I doubt it would really be worth 'hunting outlaws' over, though. Sure, maybe for panther girls, who, clearly, aren't that oppulent, but... if a male slave lasts for a relatively short time, in a mine, he can't be worth much. I imagine that a male warrior, meeting an unarmed man, whom he discovered to be without a homestone, would normally not think: "Lucky me! What a prize! A man I can enslave!" as he might with a woman (especially if she seemed pretty) and 'capture' that man. Most likely, the risk and hassle would not be worth it. As I understand the books, most male enslavement was more or less accidental. (To wars, conquests, punishment of criminal behavior, and such). I think that the warrior would be far more likely to ignore the unarmed man. Or kill him, so as to remove a potential thread for his city, if he was armed. The obvious exception might be slavers, perhaps knowing of a particular use for a man, or panther girls, that seem pleased with trades that seem very low-value for others, and who seem to delight in 'proving' their superiority over men.

Maybe I am wrong, of course. But I just don't see a typical Gorean man look at another man and think "Hmjummy.... slave." ;)
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Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Postby Morgus » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:47 pm

Hawt Sommer wrote :

Which with the introduction of every new book written by his son we get closer and closer to leather bikini/ boot wearing, katana swinging, ninja femlaws.



What is your reason for thinking that his son is writing the books - or rather where did you get that "information" ...

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Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Postby Sasi » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:00 am

It's not a detail to which I paid much attention, but it is not "I wish you well", in the books, in fact, and not "Be well" which would be so, an onlinism....?

But I might be wrong, though...

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Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Postby Morgus » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:01 am

I am assuming when you wrote " but it is not "I wish you well", in the books" that you meant " ... is it not ..." ... yes it is ... "Be well" would be no more an online-ism than "thanks," "sincerely," "best regards," etc, which are used commonly in ending communication ... I would think that a blog post would not have to be BtB or even close - all would be "in violation" ... when blogs become formal I would be inclined to end with "I wish you well" ... be well ...
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Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Postby Kaitlin » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:08 am

Mynerva wrote:
Kaitlin wrote: Damn you Mynerva that was just too damn funny not to comment.


Got ya! :teehee:


Nope Image Likely just a fly by. I did appreciate the laugh and the spot on post.
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Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Postby Leah » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:55 pm

Kaitlin wrote:
Mynerva wrote:
Kaitlin wrote: Damn you Mynerva that was just too damn funny not to comment.


Got ya! :teehee:


Nope Image Likely just a fly by. I did appreciate the laugh and the spot on post.


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Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Postby Mynerva » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:15 pm

Leah wrote:
Nope, nope, nope...you done got got. Now we know you're not dead! :D


I agree! Kait is back and that is it! Who else would call me a sexist republican, ha?
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Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Postby Mehrunes Unsworth » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:18 pm

My grievance with current SL Gor RP is the male characters. Too many of us are acting out the role of the stereotypical "friendzoned nice guy" with these feminized overly chivalrous personalities. I am a bit frustrated by folks trying to correct my behavior over worries that is is offensive to women. We are playing in an RP genre that is already offensive to (most) women just by existing.

You shouldn't be afraid to be a selfish greedy horny bastard, you live in a world where there is pretty much no punishment for beating and raping and abducting women, there is no alimony or child support, nobody is gonna kick you out of the bar for looking at a girl the wrong way. Please guys, stop being so damn squeamish about being dominant and taking what you want, I am not saying this from an "I'm better/more Dom than you" standpoint (because I'm probably not), but I really don't know where this softy chivalrous male character came from, other than a big misinterpretation of what "honor" seems to mean in the storybook sense.
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Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Postby Sin » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:04 pm

Mehrunes Unsworth wrote:
You shouldn't be afraid to be a selfish greedy horny bastard, you live in a world where there is pretty much no punishment for beating and raping and abducting women, there is no alimony or child support, nobody is gonna kick you out of the bar for looking at a girl the wrong way.


You'd think right? In practice, ohboy the drama and ooc whining rping this way brings.

Mehrunes Unsworth wrote: Please guys, stop being so damn squeamish about being dominant and taking what you want, I am not saying this from an "I'm better/more Dom than you" standpoint (because I'm probably not), but I really don't know where this softy chivalrous male character came from, other than a big misinterpretation of what "honor" seems to mean in the storybook sense.


Squeamish no. Tired of dealing with the arising BS - most probably.
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Re: The thin red line for BTB RP

Postby Leah » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:14 am

Mehrunes Unsworth wrote:My grievance with current SL Gor RP is the male characters. Too many of us are acting out the role of the stereotypical "friendzoned nice guy" with these feminized overly chivalrous personalities. I am a bit frustrated by folks trying to correct my behavior over worries that is is offensive to women. We are playing in an RP genre that is already offensive to (most) women just by existing.

You shouldn't be afraid to be a selfish greedy horny bastard, you live in a world where there is pretty much no punishment for beating and raping and abducting women, there is no alimony or child support, nobody is gonna kick you out of the bar for looking at a girl the wrong way. Please guys, stop being so damn squeamish about being dominant and taking what you want, I am not saying this from an "I'm better/more Dom than you" standpoint (because I'm probably not), but I really don't know where this softy chivalrous male character came from, other than a big misinterpretation of what "honor" seems to mean in the storybook sense.


I think more guys would in random RP, but the amount of bitching and moaning and just plain whining and crying that would occur is enough to turn a saint to drink. I mean, I can't blame people for just not wanting to deal with that shit.

OFF TOPIC:

Mynerva wrote:
Leah wrote:
Nope, nope, nope...you done got got. Now we know you're not dead! :D


I agree! Kait is back and that is it! Who else would call me a sexist republican, ha?


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