Are we creating the "Slutty FW" role?

[Tamar Luminos]

K, here's something that sorta hit me. There's been a thread where a new person was wanting to play a slave, expressed a pretty strong desire to play a slave, and yet was told by several people to start off playing a FW because it's an easier role to get your feet wet with.

Another thread has been started on which role is easier, slave or FW, and undoubtedly, the FW role is -easier-, in my opinion.

However.

It occurred to me. Is this, urging new people who want to play slaves to instead start off as a FW, contributing or in fact creating the counter-to-the-books role of the "Slutty FW"? The person playing a FW who would really rather be playing a slave but due to SL constraints (too many slave characters, not enough men, etc.) are instead using the FW role as a "placeholder" to shop for a guy who is willing to play their master.

Is this...part of what's blurring the roles of FW and slave till they're almost indistinct from each other save for the clothing? And if so...uh, is this a bad thing or just a fact of SL Gorean r/p that we just have to deal with?

Thoughts?

[~pancake~]

Hmmmm Interesting idea Tamar.

I guess I don't see a need for the FW character to be slutty just because the player has in the back of her mind that one day she may transition to a slave, or would prefer to play a slave if the ideal circumstances came around.

You can still play a non slutty FW and one day submit, in fact that is probably far more powerful of a story.

Not unlike slaves who have been freed for various SL reasons are able to play non slutty FW.

Just because the player/typist knows she would like to play a slave doesn't mean the character wants to be a slave.

For example, I wanted to play a Neko in Midian at one point, but they were not accepting anymore Nekos so I played a regular human. My character didn't act neko'ish, nor did she overtly express any desire to be one.

[Conall]

The slutty FW role is played since years by a not so less amount players of FWs which are not around to play FWs but wanna have some sexy time with a boyfriend or maybe a bit of forced sex. It's really nothing new and you will see them vanishing after max a few days from the sims .. conquering a new or moaning in OOC about how they have been misunderstood.

[~pancake~]

The slutty FW role is played since years by a not so less amount players of FWs which are not around to play FWs but wanna have some sexy time with a boyfriend or maybe a bit of forced sex. It's really nothing new and you will see them vanishing after max a few days from the sims .. conquering a new or moaning in OOC about how they have been misunderstood.

I have to agree Conall.
In my experience the slutty FW characters aren't usually played by people who want to play slaves. In fact they often refuse to accept long term collars or consequences of their actions.

[Ceri the Urt]

I don't get it, or maybe I just don't "see it" like everyone else does. The way it sounds, it's like..there is an FW slut epidemic happening and FW are throwing themselves across mens laps with their boobs all popping out and their hair all flowing with see through veils.

I just don't see it! I have visited a lot of homes, and even hung out in the hub, and it seems to me FW are the same FW they have been for as long as I can recall. Could the dress be better at times? Sure...just like in every role..people bitch about mens outfits, slaves camisks not being camisks, FW not wearing full RoC etc.

We all hope that FW aren't the candy pushing, mother hens that annoy then heck out of us, but ya know what...I have seen MANY a proper FW who dress exactly right, are extremely polite, and demure, yet treat slaves exactly like that and when pointed out that it isn't exactly the way FW treated slaves they point out that there is no set way and they have no reason to hate slaves because they are secure in their positions. Fine.

Asking a slave to start out as a free does Not a slutty FW make. To me it is actually being more realistic to the role as many slaves started out as FW anyway, and those FW may have slave tendencies but most people won't even clue into that unless the woman is a raging slut trying to rape a man in public.

As for FW being sexual, ya know what...they WERE sexual, this whole "virgin until your companioned BS is an earth notion, NOT a gorean one. Free Women did take male slaves to their couches, they even toook male suitors.

Point is, I just don't see the raging slutty FW that everyone seems to concerned about, and if people are concerned...they can question the FW, put her in her place, or collar her ass.

Oh and as the above mentioned, the true "sluts in robes" generally want there cake and to eat it too. They want to be free, have all the benefits of freedom, but spiked heels under their robes, and their bosoms falling out of their shirts.

[Rhett]

I've been approached by several of these "slutty" freewomen. There is pretty much one everytime I log in to RP. The thing is they are mostly slutty in IMs. So, there is no way to deal with it IC unless they do something in RP. This is the part that is irritating and is why I generally ignore their RP and their IMs.

So, is it an epidemic? No. But it does happen frequently.

I'm not sure that urging someone into the FW role when they'd rather play a slave is what causes the slutty free woman role. Mostly, I think it's because they want the sexual attention without giving up the control. And sadly, a lot of men are more than happy to let this happen. How many times have you actually seen a woman who deserves a collar actually collared? And how many times have you seen this RP able to be done without complaint or moderator intervention?

Most people just don't want to bother. I'm one of them so I'm as much to blame as anyone. But, my past experiences have led me to ignore when these women come on to me. They are rarely ever looking for a collar.

[Adoveea Rau]

The slutty FW role is played since years by a not so less amount players of FWs which are not around to play FWs but wanna have some sexy time with a boyfriend or maybe a bit of forced sex. It's really nothing new and you will see them vanishing after max a few days from the sims .. conquering a new or moaning in OOC about how they have been misunderstood.

Agrees 100%.
Now I agree with Ceri, I don't see the door opening or a flood of roleplayers doing bad *Slutty FW" either. It's been soooo overdone.
What is NOT done very often and brings my applause high and hard is the FW that submits of her own will to her needs as a slave.

The few times I've seen it, it's been jaw dropping roleplay. The roleplayers built up a storyline of fighting their inner nature, slowly and then it was a grand finale of surrendering.
The one that stays forever in my mind was the woman who for her finale stood outside of a paga tavern, then stripped off her robes, and knelt down raising her crossed wrists and begging (in an fantastic emote) the owner to let her be a slave within it.

[Kaitlin]

Slutty FW, cookie cutter slaves, white knight gorean men all come from the same place. Lack of education & experience. Add in the jealous female players who wonder why one women is getting more male attention than they are and you have a recipe for plenty of slutty FW, the real and the imagined.

I would suggest for every person who tosses out the term ask yourself what you are doing ICly about it. I honestly can't remember a scene where a FW yelled for the city guards (even NPC) to come take a woman inappropriately dressed home. Kait is an unmerciful gossip and a slutty FW would absolutely get to experience that in my presence. I had an amazing time teasing Feorie about her acquisition of "the fish boy". I wish more people would stop OOCly gnashing their teeth about this issue and take it to RP. The collar isn't the only answer.

As for the OOC flirting of typists playing the role of FW I am pretty sure I can top that number of IMs with the number of inappropriate requests I have gotten from the Gorean Master in my IM to include a few penis shots (do men get these types of photos?). It should be handled the same way. If you are interested hooray and if not then tell them to and move on.

I agree with Dove and Ceri. I just don't see them in RP that often. For those that see them around every corner maybe the problem is with you.

[Kaitlin]

The few times I've seen it, it's been jaw dropping roleplay. The roleplayers built up a storyline of fighting their inner nature, slowly and then it was a grand finale of surrendering.
The one that stays forever in my mind was the woman who for her finale stood outside of a paga tavern, then stripped off her robes, and knelt down raising her crossed wrists and begging (in an fantastic emote) the owner to let her be a slave within it.

This is epic RP when done well and much different than a "slutty" FW.

[Sasi]

If someone wanting to play a slave, specially someone new to Gor, is forced, cause pressures, to play a FW, we are rather enforcing the "slutty FW" role.

Explain me, seriously, how someone wanting to play a slave, will deal with all the constraints, regarding the sexuality, that a FW has to deal with? You want to play a slave, and you are suggested to play a woman who must express her coldness regarding all sexuality's aspects... Seriously?

A FW cannot express her womanhood. She must act as if she was frigid. If she replies to a compliment about her look, it's a slave's behavior. The role, when played correctly, is complex. If some people think that for playing a FW, you have only to cover your pixels properly, they are wrong.

A FW is frustrated, how do you play this frustration? How do you play the jealousy, the envy that you feel secretly in presence of slaves without sometimes, even to understand the real causes of such feelings? How do you play the frustration?

Oh yes, excuse me, I forgot, but FW in SL Gor are nice persons with floating hair on shoulders, who are, of course, never jealous, in love with a loyal companion who has slave only to serve him paga. They have affection for slaves, they have even personal slaves that look like sexy pleasure slaves in pretty silks that they take out for a walk, in leash.
I forgot also the variant, the same FW with her silk kajirus dressed like a slave girl, leashing like a pet, making her claim more than with words, in public, that she has a wonderful sexual life in her private quarters.
Anyway, playing jealousy and frustration offends the typist. FW in SL Gor are sometimes mean to slave because in books they are mean to slaves. Period. Dont ask her to look more bad in emoting so vile sentiments...

The slutty FW? There are too many already, too many FW who are unable to play their role properly...