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Alt Morality...Love this term

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How many alts is enough?

I believe in one alt on a given sim
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55%
2 characters work fine for me. I have no problem watching the FW hop onto her slave alt when a handsome Master arrives on sim (That's sarcasm)
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17%
3 characters played on sim is taking it too far
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Bring all your alts since I can't get enough of your RP skills. The more the merrier.
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Re: Alt Morality...Love this term

Postby Sira » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:18 pm

~pancake~ wrote:I don’t know Sira, it feels to me that you are tap dancing with semantics to justify your play preference.

However, if you prefer to split the hair there, to say that the issue is not alts but rather the players behind them, you force me to then take the position that I have no issue with alts, but with the typists behind them. I’d rather not do that.

I don’t feel I’m bitching or witch hunting. I’m participating in an internet discussion board. One with a poll, in which I voted, then explained my preference. In world? I play with alts both known and unknown, I have alts, I’ve been partnered to a man with an army of alts, had him sell me to an alt, had alts of his I had previous not known show up in our OOC house. Trust me, I’m not bitching or witch hunting.

It’s a rare day I discuss alts in world, even rarer that I out them, even when I’m placed in the most uncomfortable position of knowing that someone is being misled and would be uncomfortable if they found out. In fact there have been some who have gotten upset with me for not warning/telling them that they were engaged with an alt of someone else I knew.

As a theoretical discussion though, I do see the potential drama and “harm” playing multiple alts in a sim could do. I find it unfortunate that you cannot see the same and separate the validity of that point from your own roleplay preference.

As for sims with open policy on alts? I’m not sure that sim owners really envisioned someone playing 4 characters of various positions and genders in their sim when they did that. Perhaps they did, but I’m not certain most consider this to be typical behaviour.

I guess at the end of the day I consider RP to be a team sport. If I know that the majority of the team prefer that I not spike the ball, I won’t spike the ball, even if it amuses me to do so and if I do? I’m going to accept that some people are not going to feel great about that. I don’t think I’d resort to calling them names for feeling how they feel and if I did I don’t think I’d expect them to enjoy having me on their team.


I think you are misunderstanding me because I think we actually agree in practice. Ala said it best though. Alts are not the actual problem. The people who do ill acts with them are the problem. And the people who assume all or even most alts are made to purposely or accidentally do ill acts are also the problem if we are speaking about the causes of sim drama.

When the view is taken that the majority of people who play alts are screwing up, then you have exactly what we see currently. A general state of paranoia and finger pointing of who might be who and why they would dare want to play another character. I don't think this contributes to the health of a sim anymore than someone actually being an asshole alt does.

This is what I meant by witch hunts and bitching. I wasn't implying that your post was a witch hunt or bitching. I was speaking about what happens in world when people start whispering and spreading info about who is who and how dare they. I think that damages a sim equally, if not more than a person playing an alt for nefarious purposes.

And I also agree that RP is a team sport. I dislike when people make it solely about them. But my issue is rooted in people ascribing certain negative qualities to alts that don't necessarily have causation, but merely correlation.

I actually don't prefer to play many alts, despite my arguing for people to be free to do so. :lol: I prefer to get in depth with one character, typically. Maybe two at the very most. But, I have been known to play bit parts or extras in scenes. That can be pretty fun and definitely a positive use of alts, even in the same sim. And I do see the upset some people suffer because someone was a jerk with an alt. But, I've also seen the utter disruption of RP and demise of others who have been victims of witch hunts and rumors.
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Re: Alt Morality...Love this term

Postby Escapee » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:26 pm

@ Sira, agree with you on the "witch hunt" and gossiping causing as much damage to a sim. I even suggested zero tolerance for it somewhere.

Regardless of what I feel or anyone else feels about it, I'll say for the record - SL Gor needs Ar. I'm happy it's going to happen.
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Re: Alt Morality...Love this term

Postby Kaitlin » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:44 pm

SnaggleTooth wrote:@ Sira, agree with you on the "witch hunt" and gossiping causing as much damage to a sim. I even suggested zero tolerance for it somewhere.

Regardless of what I feel or anyone else feels about it, I'll say for the record - SL Gor needs Ar. I'm happy it's going to happen.


The only thing I would suggest is know who your witch hunter actually is. Usually it is the overly curious person right under your nose you think is a friend or the person who outs you and your 12 alts on their profile pick. Everyone else is just amused by it all.
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Re: Alt Morality...Love this term

Postby Perse » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:45 pm

I don't mind alts. I think 2 alts in one SIM is more than enough, though.

Ghost wrote:
ala wrote....But if we start sharing rl infomation OOC, don't lie to me. I would rather people said nothing, than made up a completely fabricated reality. That is how people get hurt. Because to me that isn't about the rp or the characters.


:yeahthat:

Do not lie to me or deliberately mislead me, do what you want but keep it honest.


Agreed.

What's more puzzling to me is those that have alt personas (not accounts) on these forums. I can somewhat understand wanting to start over, I guess. Or having an account for a seperate character to post RP, notices, etc. But... when people fabricate an entire life - their gender, their sexual orientation, which country they live in - willfully sharing details of 'themselves', I find it strange. Perhaps there's something I'm missing. Perhaps they never break character while involved with *anything* to do with SL Gor? I don't know.

I know a lot of people do this on the internet, that it's nothing new, but I find it extremely odd.
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Re: Alt Morality...Love this term

Postby ~pancake~ » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:54 pm

Perse wrote:What's more puzzling to me is those that have alt personas (not accounts) on these forums. I can somewhat understand wanting to start over, I guess. Or having an account for a seperate character to post RP, notices, etc. But... when people fabricate an entire life - their gender, their sexual orientation, which country they live in - willfully sharing details of 'themselves', I find it strange. Perhaps there's something I'm missing. Perhaps they never break character while involved with *anything* to do with SL Gor? I don't know.

I know a lot of people do this on the internet, that it's nothing new, but I find it extremely odd.


I have to agree, some of the extreme cases of alternate OOC personas are a bit strange to me.

Again, I can sort of understand alternate forum names, for logs and notices etc. I too have an alternate OOC identity I suppose, for an OOC project I work on, but she has very little "persona". More like a shell. Her profile picks are non personal, etc. I could see this for someone who owns a business for example.

However, I have seen people with alts who act very differently in let's say group chat. One is super subbie lifestyle girl, the other is raunchy flirty cockwalker dude. I find that a little over the edge of RP alt'ing for my comfort level. It's not uncommon though, I'm not even sure if alts notice they are doing it, but I often see their IC persona/role bleed over into how they conduct themselves in OOC group chat.

I certainly notice it though, especially if it's a friend and I'm fully aware of their alts. I do notice they interact differently in group chat, heck they even sometimes have slightly different tone or demeaner when chatting with me and I know they are the same person. :?
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Re: Alt Morality...Love this term

Postby Sira » Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:57 pm

~pancake~ wrote:
However, I have seen people with alts who act very differently in let's say group chat. One is super subbie lifestyle girl, the other is raunchy flirty cockwalker dude. I find that a little over the edge of RP alt'ing for my comfort level. It's not uncommon though, I'm not even sure if alts notice they are doing it, but I often see their IC persona/role bleed over into how they conduct themselves in OOC group chat.

I certainly notice it though, especially if it's a friend and I'm fully aware of their alts. I do notice they interact differently in group chat, heck they even sometimes have slightly different tone or demeaner when chatting with me and I know they are the same person. :?


That really creeps me out too. But, I think you are right in that people don't realize they are doing it. I think it's bleed over from them getting into the moment with their alt.
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Re: Alt Morality...Love this term

Postby Kaitlin » Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:02 pm

~pancake~ wrote:However, I have seen people with alts who act very differently in let's say group chat. One is super subbie lifestyle girl, the other is raunchy flirty cockwalker dude. I find that a little over the edge of RP alt'ing for my comfort level. It's not uncommon though, I'm not even sure if alts notice they are doing it, but I often see their IC persona/role bleed over into how they conduct themselves in OOC group chat.

I certainly notice it though, especially if it's a friend and I'm fully aware of their alts. I do notice they interact differently in group chat, heck they even sometimes have slightly different tone or demeaner when chatting with me and I know they are the same person. :?


This is too hilarious! One of the funniest things I have ever seen was in group chat both characters were talking as if they are two different people and they even went as far as sending an IM to discuss what their alt is saying as a confidante of sorts not realizing that the person they were talking to knew they were both. I must have laughed for a full hour with my RP partner on skype.
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Re: Alt Morality...Love this term

Postby Dren Bernard » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:11 pm

SnaggleTooth wrote:
Dren Bernard wrote:Geldingsdrang takes no prisoners.


Dren. Interpretation please? Geldingsdrang.


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Re: Alt Morality...Love this term

Postby Escapee » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:14 pm

Dren Bernard wrote:
SnaggleTooth wrote:
Dren Bernard wrote:Geldingsdrang takes no prisoners.


Dren. Interpretation please? Geldingsdrang.


http://geldingsdrang.wordpress.com/introduction/


thank you, thank you. I MUST be taken seriously.

Seriously.

I must.
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Re: Alt Morality...Love this term

Postby Rock » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:41 am

Kaitlin wrote:
This is too hilarious! One of the funniest things I have ever seen was in group chat both characters were talking as if they are two different people and they even went as far as sending an IM to discuss what their alt is saying as a confidante of sorts not realizing that the person they were talking to knew they were both. I must have laughed for a full hour with my RP partner on skype.



Yes the same person that seems to have the most to say on this topic

Sira wrote:What I am saying is that I find it pathetic that someone would play an alt in the manner they did in that scene we talked about above. The person logging in two people in the same scene, especially in a sex scene, is the person with the screws loose. This is one example of someone using their alts in a very stupid way. I don't really consider it deception, though. Just simple stupidity. I'm sure it felt like shit and not because you had any OOC investment in the situation. It felt like shit because when someone dual logs like that it is clear they are not there to be in a RP scene with you but rather use you as a mere object OOCly in their own scene. It's exploitation and that's why it sucks.

The same could be said for the situation quoted above, look in the mirror. As for being sought out in RP, most made a point of avoiding this person in rp, Her portrayal of the Magistrate left much to be desired for many and was only her attempt to play the super elite rp'er she thought she was, stealing the spotlight but falling flat on her face. :popcorn:
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