When is it 'plausible' to hire a killer ?

[Festus]

In another thread, we have this:

because he branded my niece without a reason, and she is a she urt - free woman for some IC reasons....)

Excuse me, but unless I have been reading the wrong books, isn't this the essence of Gor, to enslave and brand women?

And why, if this guy is so concerned about his niece's well-being, wouldn't he take her off the streets and keep her safely at home, instead of letting her wander around as a she-urt, then get all bent out of shape when someone comes along and enslaves and brands her?

This is the kind of flimsy excuse people are using in SL Gor to hire assassins to kill other characters. And this is why the role is out of hand, and something should be done about it. It is outrageous and inexcusable.

[Daved Calderwood]

It is sort of a dilemma when getting a contract. My reasons for asking why is a combinaton of OOC/IC . I would like to hear that there was a solid rp reason for me getting hired and not because "Oh he/she smirked at me the wrong way." If it is something like an on going bickering where the worst that was exchanged was arguments then I don't feel it is worth me killing. If its something that has to do with action or even flat out greed then I will be more than inclined to accept the contract and even then there is a 50 % I will turn it down.

I won't take contracts that involve OOC drama, its just a waste of time and I would prefer NOT to have my IM's spammed from either party. I am not going to take a contract that involves me having to hunt in a femlaw or pew pew sim. That's just for my peace of mind and saving alot of time.

As far as giving up the name of the client in OOC . I wouldn't do it unless the client gave the go ahead . I do re-assure the target that I am not coming back for him or her at a later date though.

[NoneSpecified]

Hmmm, this is an interesting question. I think there is another question related to it:

When should you consider a kill of your character by an assassin vallid, presuming all the actions of the assassin you witnessed are beyond reproach?

I mean... if you are killed by an assassin, can you ask about the reason for the contract? Maybe all the RP the assassin was in was perfectly fine. But what if the person hiring the assassin did it for bad reasons, OOC reasons, etc? I have heard quite a few accounts of stories of people hiring assassins over stupid OOC stuff, revenge for killings of their alts, etc.

I know that, ICly, an assassin cannot give the name of the person that hired them. It is against their code. But what about OOCly? Should the assassin tell his victim who hired him? Should he provide logs? Can the victim ask the person contracting the assassin for logs? Should the assassin himself ask for logs, check to see if the contracting party had good IC reason?

I think that if I were killed by an assassin, I would NOT accept it if I suspected the assignment to originate from some OOC disagreement. And I think that, if I didn't know about anyone with proper IC reasons to want to have me killed, I'd insist on learning the whole story, seeing the RP. So the question posed by Crow is very relevant.

I can only speak for myself, but those that trained me and those that I associate with try very hard to not take assignments from those that just have an OOC agenda. If I even think there's any OOC drama behind something I just walk away from it because I don't want to waste my time with situations like that. I ask to see logs of the supporting RP, I interview people extensively, and give it a great deal of consideration before moving ahead.

As to some of your other points, If I kill you in RP, that's it. Your character is dead to me, as in permanently. I don't care what you do after the fact but I won't be sharing anything with you afterward. How could I given that you are dead ICly? Even if I did tell you who hired me, if you then turned around and used that information to get revenge on me or the person that hired me it would all be OOC and thrown out anyways.

[Justicia]

I agree with it being outrageous and out of hand. As it stands I have logs of both a killer and his female partner saying they wanted me dead OOC in IM and were fixing to assassinate me just because I removed them both as mods and from a group OOC.

That's -not- a plausible reason to hire a killer. lol.

[Sasi]

I am a free woman of high caste, I have been forced by my brother to FC a man (well, a high magistrate for example...) that I dislike and who treat me bad. (IC of course)

Question 1: Is it plausible for me to hire an assassin?
Question 2: Once this man is killed, I imagine easily that I would be the first suspect, what are the risks for me, regarding the justice of my city?

@Expunction: Be zen, it's only a question

[Justicia]

I am a free woman of high caste, I have been forced by my brother to FC a man (well, a high magistrate for example...) that I dislike and who treat me bad. (IC of course)

Question 1: Is it plausible for me to hire an assassin?
Question 2: Once this man is killed, I imagine easily that I would be the first suspect, what are the risks for me, regarding the justice of my city?


Oh honey you don't have to hire an assassin. If he treats you bad, just come talk to me and I'll sort his arse out for you. lol

[Leah]

I am a free woman of high caste, I have been forced by my brother to FC a man (well, a high magistrate for example...) that I dislike and who treat me bad. (IC of course)

Question 1: Is it plausible for me to hire an assassin?
Question 2: Once this man is killed, I imagine easily that I would be the first suspect, what are the risks for me, regarding the justice of my city?

@Expunction: Be zen, it's only a question

I'd say yes, it's plausible. The risks for you, IF they can prove you did it (although, it may very well not matter to them whether they have incontrovertible proof - this isn't the US Justice System, after all), are probably execution or enslavement.

[Echo]

I am bringing this thread back up to ask a question in line with the discussion.

Background: I have wandered around a couple of sims that I as a panther girl could technically wander. Skirting the edge of one city I found three black tents with black flags and a sign denoting it as a black caste camp. I avoided it.
Next I was wandering around the joined sims near where my band is camped now. I find across a river another camp of many black tents and banners. They have signs warning panthers and outlaws to keep thier distance. And yes they are black caste.

So why couldn't a panther from a discrete distance begin negotiations with an assassin to kill an enemy of hers, either from before she was a panther or one that had harmed her and hers and is now safely behind walls? Is this implausible?
I mean I found the camps by just walking. So could I not gather my stolen goods and try and hire one?

[Willow]

Question 2: Once this man is killed, I imagine easily that I would be the first suspect, what are the risks for me, regarding the justice of my city?

Good point, that, and one that could be impotant to all those playing, or hiring, assassins.

Is it in fact, legal to hire one?

After all, there must be many other circumstances where, if X is rubbed out, then Y would become the natural suspect. So what exactly are the comebacks? A charge of conspiracy to murder, at least? Or, this being Gor, is it fine, even applauded, to arrange for your future free companion to sleep with the fishes?

[Isabella]

Question 2: Once this man is killed, I imagine easily that I would be the first suspect, what are the risks for me, regarding the justice of my city?

Good point, that, and one that could be impotant to all those playing, or hiring, assassins.

Is it in fact, legal to hire one?

After all, there must be many other circumstances where, if X is rubbed out, then Y would become the natural suspect. So what exactly are the comebacks? A charge of conspiracy to murder, at least? Or, this being Gor, is it fine, even applauded, to arrange for your future free companion to sleep with the fishes?

Actually following on from this - thinking out loud.
I wondered if it would be possible to put a retainer on a contract which would only be executed -if- something happened to me.

Say I knew someone had it in for me, could I hire a killer in advance and then let the person know somehow that if anything suspicious happens to me they will also be killed.

Or is a pre-emptive strike best?