BC hired IC for OOC reasons

[Runt]

I had a conversation with an SL friend of mine this morning that left me wondering how others might handle this particular issue.

Without naming names, the issue started when two friends of mine (a man and his FC) "hired" someone to play their daughter in RP. She was crossing over from GE to a sim more in line with the books and promised to play her character as a non fighting female. After a short period of time she expressed her desire to return to GE and so she left her role and was removed from the family. All was fine until a son of theirs also left with no word, later telling the family that his reason was because they had "kicked her out of the family" and he was now sending an assassin after the parents and one other family member. I should add the removal of the daughter was an ooc thing and her role will simply be replaced by someone else, playing the same daughter character. It was not IC nor rp'd. The son left without rp and by removing himself from the groups, cleaning out his profile and removing his belongings from their out-of-Gor home.

At first I suggested to my friends that they not honor any assassins hit from this ooc issue but it got me thinking. What if the Assassin is hired IC? What if, ic, he's told that this man wants these people dead for some seemingly valid reason. Is it fair game then to tell the Assassin he can't continue his rp just because of an ooc issue between the other players? Maybe it would be better to rp out the hit, then get with a sim Mod on the "parents" sim to see if there's just cause to invalidate the death. Or, maybe that's just lame and no part of this should be rp'd because the entire reasoning behind it is ooc based and not rp.

They ended up stating in their limits that any rp surrounding this ex-son player won't be honored because its all for ooc reasons, and they said if an Assassin shows up to kill them they're going to IM him and let him know that they won't honor it. Although I can understand why they'd do it, I'm just not sure I agree with the "dig your heels in the dirt and refuse to rp" methods.

Thoughts?

[Vylixan]

A lot of good Assasins want to know the reasons and if they suspect an OOC reason they won't do the kill.

[Melchior Wardell]

What if the Assassin is hired IC? What if, ic, he's told that this man wants these people dead for some seemingly valid reason.

I can't speak for all assassins, but can tell you how I work. If someone claims to have IC valid reasons they will have to show me the logs as proof. If they can't I won't accept.

Is it fair game then to tell the Assassin he can't continue his rp just because of an ooc issue between the other players? Maybe it would be better to rp out the hit, then get with a sim Mod on the "parents" sim to see if there's just cause to invalidate the death. Or, maybe that's just lame and no part of this should be rp'd because the entire reasoning behind it is ooc based and not rp.

I want to be told if there is any chance of drama, I won't waste my time on OOC drama, but that is just me.

They ended up stating in their limits that any rp surrounding this ex-son player won't be honored because its all for ooc reasons, and they said if an Assassin shows up to kill them they're going to IM him and let him know that they won't honor it. Although I can understand why they'd do it, I'm just not sure I agree with the "dig your heels in the dirt and refuse to rp" methods.

Everyone has his/hers own reasons to accept things or not if this situation was only OOC I am not wanting to burn my fingers. However if I have already have put a lot of time in this ... I might feel frustrated but I am sure that will pass in time.

[Rob]

Two thoughts:

1. Shoot an IM to the one hiring the BC stating that any attempt will not be honored, so it will be a waste of time.
2. Shoot an IM to the BC being hired stating that any attempt will not be honored, so it will be a waste of time.

The BC will probably appreciate to hear that before he starts his endeavours. There is no IC hiring for OOC reasons.

[Runt]

A lot of good Assasins want to know the reasons and if they suspect an OOC reason they won't do the kill.

I can't guarantee that this man will find and hire a good assassin although I hear he has hired an assassin that already showed up in the village. I don't know the BC's name since I still can't get my computer to work so I'm SL-less for now (cries!).

Crow & Rob: That really was my plan -if I ever get back in SL- (cries again) and come across this in RP was to shoot the Assassin an IM telling him that he can spend his time there rp'ing the kills if he wants but that in the end none of it would be honored since its all over an ooc argument. Its good to hear others feel the same, thank you.

Adding: I'm pretty sure the ex-son was told it wouldn't be honored right before the mute buttons were hit and all the rp bans were updated.

[Kylar]

BC Roleplay 101. Day 1, Class 1, The Client Meeting.

We discuss the Client Task very very early on in BC training. It is stressed to the Candidates that they will come across OOC reasons for being hired and that they MUST IM the Client and ask if the subsequent Assassin rp will be IC. If not, the window is closed and the client is laughed out of the sim. I have had many rp stories invalidated by sim owners because the rp that has been presented to me has/was based around OOC motive. Remember Telnus anyone, when Judas was invalidated there after spending several weeks hunting? If only he knew then, that the entire story was OOC based, he wouldn't have wasted his time.

To answer the original question, we do ask. However, we can be lied to. We can only go on what is presented to us IC. Top tip to potential Clients. Be SELECTIVE in your killer. You get out of him what you put in.

[Runt]

BC Roleplay 101. Day 1, Class 1, The Client Meeting.

We discuss the Client Task very very early on in BC training. It is stressed to the Candidates that they will come across OOC reasons for being hired and that they MUST IM the Client and ask if the subsequent Assassin rp will be IC. If not, the window is closed and the client is laughed out of the sim. I have had many rp stories invalidated by sim owners because the rp that has been presented to me has/was based around OOC motive. Remember Telnus anyone, when Judas was invalidated there after spending several weeks hunting? If only he knew then, that the entire story was OOC based, he wouldn't have wasted his time.

To answer the original question, we do ask. However, we can be lied to. We can only go on what is presented to us IC. Top tip to potential Clients. Be SLECTIVE in your killer. Chose one you know, not one you just bump into.

I was in Telnus during that time (another av), I remember it well. It's good to hear that the BC does take this into account and does their best to not waste time on ooc turned ic death threats.

I'm really just trying to help them get this all settled down and the drama to end quickly and quietly for them, without adding to it or causing more. *crosses her fingers*

[Sie Alcott]

If someone is asinine enough to hire for an OOC reason they can invent a reason to do it IC. They would go out of their way to find a way to do it even if it means interacting in someway, coming up with some storyline to do it. In any case its not right and just a shitty thing to do.

[Shjade]

I can't speak for all assassins, but can tell you how I work. If someone claims to have IC valid reasons they will have to show me the logs as proof. If they can't I won't accept.

Does that mean you won't accept contracts based on IC falsehoods?

Scenario: I'm planning to steal the homestone of Somewheresvilletownburg. I could use a distraction for this. Hm. An assassination attempt on the Ubar would probably fit the bill. So I look up an assassin with enough skill to make a reasonable attempt at the job - an amateur would get caught or killed too quickly to be of any use to me - and hire him to take care of the city Ubar. Why do I want him dead? I know he has plans to exile me soon over a personal disagreement and would rather have him removed from his position of power before that can come to pass. There is no such disagreement, obviously - it's a lie - but it's a lie to further IC goals rather than OOC drama.

Assuming other factors don't put you off the job (it's too hard, not enough payment, etc.), would you just refuse it on grounds that you can read my mind and know I'm lying to you or what?

[Melchior Wardell]

I can't speak for all assassins, but can tell you how I work. If someone claims to have IC valid reasons they will have to show me the logs as proof. If they can't I won't accept.

Does that mean you won't accept contracts based on IC falsehoods?

Scenario: I'm planning to steal the homestone of Somewheresvilletownburg. I could use a distraction for this. Hm. An assassination attempt on the Ubar would probably fit the bill. So I look up an assassin with enough skill to make a reasonable attempt at the job - an amateur would get caught or killed too quickly to be of any use to me - and hire him to take care of the city Ubar. Why do I want him dead? I know he has plans to exile me soon over a personal disagreement and would rather have him removed from his position of power before that can come to pass. There is no such disagreement, obviously - it's a lie - but it's a lie to further IC goals rather than OOC drama.

Assuming other factors don't put you off the job (it's too hard, not enough payment, etc.), would you just refuse it on grounds that you can read my mind and know I'm lying to you or what?

IC Crow doesn't need a reason to assassinate anyone ... gold would be enough reason. So IC Crow would take it if, the client, the hiring and the mark is within the codes he needs to follow. If he learns that you lied to him ... make sure you don't meet him afterwards

OOCly I would be in your IM to ask you questions to find out if this is about some OOC Drama. In this case there is no hidden ooc motive and seems to be no reason for not taking it. I think every Ubar knows his position is one that might bring danger and all this seems plausible to me. However I would indeed be careful ... in this case I know it is you ... but if someone is there that I don't know I might be more wary.