Who made you the Boss - Part 2

[Kaitlin]

Laja took in the community's request and did not ban me. However the day after I was made a moderator to do the scribe group thing, I was summarily banned.

You were banned because Xas threatened to quit when he found out you were moderator. He also made it clear that you had broken the rules when you posted here on this forum that other moderators had told you what was going on much like he threatened to close his sub forum that is still open after Laja did some banning and ass kissing.

Randall didn't champion my banning but he did keep silent as did everyone except Xas and Maria (co sim owner with Xas...lovely coincidence). I think Heaven may have had a blip but it was based on what was being presented. For those speculating...no Dren didn't tell me anything and they likely would be shocked who did just as you would likely shock them by revealing who the people were who told you what was going on since it wasn't Dren or me.

The long and short of my banning was she felt I was "picking on Xas"...her words not mine and that came directly from him and his whining because on several occasions I had shown he had a tendency to cherry pick and parse quotes and didn't know what the hell he was talking about. It wasn't personal but truly meant to offer context. Later both Violetta and I complained about his attempt to moderate in a sub section he didn't own. The final straw was confusion by non English speakers of what "touting" meant (Laja).

These events are why I have little respect left for someone who could be so disingenuous despite his "4" years of long and hard service. A snake is a snake so ultimately Thyri he was responsible for your banning. You can check with your 3 friends other than Dren and I to validate what I've said.

I appreciate all the kind words that have been posted by likely and unlikely sources over the last few weeks but I will be quite frank...I'm glad. I joined the forum to support Dren's vision of a Teslik and Sim Root forum to discuss medical RP issues. That is no longer necessary with the upcoming opening of the revised site for Gorean Medical RP. I'll miss some of the posters but not the insane nonsense and the attempt to close down any discussion of any substance. I wish them luck...it suits their intended audience.

[Vylixan]

The final straw was confusion by non English speakers of what "touting" meant (Laja).

I know my English sucks, I am a bad reader , but I needed to use google to find out what it was. And never heard this word , seen this word or heard this word . And I work for almost 10 years in a US company with US people.

I do agree with the amount of strange stuff on the Sl-Gor forums, though they have good topics as well.

[Kaitlin]

The final straw was confusion by non English speakers of what "touting" meant (Laja).

I know my English sucks, I am a bad reader , but I needed to use google to find out what it was. And never heard this word , seen this word or heard this word . And I work for almost 10 years in a US company with US people.

I do agree with the amount of strange stuff on the Sl-Gor forums, though they have good topics as well.

I'm not going to hate you all. At least you took the time to google it rather than assuming it was an insult. It means to strongly state your opinion...I "tout" mine all the time.

[Thyri]

It wasnt Xaz who threatened to quit Kait. It was Randall. I saw Randall's threat to quit before I was banned. Xaz and I have been friends for a very long time now. And he and I talk fairly frequently. If he turned around one day and said "thyri should be banned" I'd probably be shocked or REALLY deserve it. But Xaz and I have no bad blood between us. Randall and I however, have much worse blood between us. Bad blood that started on a forum, and when I went to him for advice, and then paraphrased his words in regards to the master assassins preventing legit assassins from coming to a sim, all of a sudden he got butthurt over that because he couldnt say I was lying because I'd produce the log that had him telling me this.

I'll stand up for Xaz because while he and I may disagree on some things, he has never threatened to have me banned or blacklisted over my opinions. He's defended me publically and privately in the past. Now, since I cannot see what is posted in the other forum, I cannot say for certain if this is not the case now that I cannot see anything. But I will ask for clarification from those I know over there if Xaz was the one threatening to quit. Because if he was, then he and I have issues. But in the past he has never done such a thing.

[Kaitlin]

It wasnt Xaz who threatened to quit Kait. It was Randall. I saw Randall's threat to quit before I was banned. Xaz and I have been friends for a very long time now. And he and I talk fairly frequently. If he turned around one day and said "thyri should be banned" I'd probably be shocked or REALLY deserve it. But Xaz and I have no bad blood between us. Randall and I however, have much worse blood between us. Bad blood that started on a forum, and when I went to him for advice, and then paraphrased his words in regards to the master assassins preventing legit assassins from coming to a sim, all of a sudden he got butthurt over that because he couldnt say I was lying because I'd produce the log that had him telling me this.

I'll stand up for Xaz because while he and I may disagree on some things, he has never threatened to have me banned or blacklisted over my opinions. He's defended me publically and privately in the past. Now, since I cannot see what is posted in the other forum, I cannot say for certain if this is not the case now that I cannot see anything. But I will ask for clarification from those I know over there if Xaz was the one threatening to quit. Because if he was, then he and I have issues. But in the past he has never done such a thing.

I'm going to PM you. I get you think he is your friend but he did call for you to be banned and threatened to leave and also to close his subforum. Randall only wanted you to remove a remark from your post and yes he went in a tizzy but totally different issue. I doubt he will tell you the truth but ask him.

I may be many things but what I'm not is a liar. Especially when I have this strong an opinion about a person.

[Glaucon]

Well, I and some others may remember Randall's exploits on this forum. He was banned here, and for good reason, after the mods made well-intended efforts to get him to lower his flame-level. Even I tried to be nice to him, despite his generic homophobia, indiscriminate insult-slinging, and the general stupidity, figuring he must be something of a noob and entitled to some 'slack'. I'd be inclined to say that any place that felt it fit to make him a moderator (especially after him threatening to leave otherwise) is completely bonkers.

@ Drevan: I do remember you. You are right, of course. I was being slightly unfair. Being a bit of a troll. Which doesn't change the issues with that other forum that will be clear to anyone bothering to read the various posts about it in this thread without bias.

[Garrgon]

Moderator reminder:

Do not post about people that are banned and cannot speak for themselves. It's common courtesy and something we've enforced before.

Also, please stay on topic.

There's some flags on this thread. I'll be sorting through them but it's going to take some time and I probably won't finish until tomorrow. I appreciate your patience.

[Jani]

Having read the initial post and a few of the responses got me to thinking.

Those that do take the time to try to train, whether it be 100% BTB or 30% BTB should be commended because at least they're trying to set up some kind of standards throughout the game. Without them where would we be? Last I heard anyone can take the role of say a scribe, merchant, panther etc and just go and play. But if they at least can get some sort of training, education, what have you about how to play their role aren't we better off for it?

So much of what we do in sl gor is actually more evolved then some would like to admit. Some of it bad, some of it common sense, and some could even be argued that if given the time Norman himself would have probably included certain things within his books.

I recently became the leader of a panther group. It's small, but then some would say that's what panther groups are supposed to be. One of my main goals within the group is to teach. Now I'm not going to start up a Panther Class of Gor group to try and set up the basis of which all panthers should play the part, I am going to within my own group. I guess in a way it could be considered similar to what the Black Caste has tried to do within their training but no wheres near the degree that they go to.

If you stop and think about it, every role within sl Gor should have similar standards, if not even better ones if possible. We could solve a lot of our problems by having standards set to not only define the roles, but also to educate those wishing to take up the roles. So although my character should most likely never come into contact with a Black, I do applaud their effort to train, educate and define their role within the confines of sl Gor. The leaders of various factions, groups, etc need to take the time to also teach, or at least bring in those that can and are willing to. So much of our ooc troubles could be taken care of with some training and teaching followed by a test of some sort and then if they show enough promise then accept them instead of just automatically awarding them citizenship or member in good standing status.

[Kaitlin]

I woke up this morning and the elephant had turned into someone else entirely. Total WTF moment.



Seems like only Yesterday:

[Reveal] Spoiler:

Provided only for full disclosure in the hope the focus is on the questions below.

Quote from: Kaitlin Eiren

Quote from: Xaz Elephas on 04. June 2012, 16:43:55
The way I see training is I am screening these guys who want to be Assassins for the community. If I think they possibly are mature enough I might train them. In 4 years I have put my stamp of approval on 14 Assassins. All 14 have never had one complianet on them from any sim owner. I have turned away I bet you 50 + men who I would not train. The ones I turned away I would not train to be a carrot famer. Now take any of those 50 + I turned away, do away with BC rules on sims and that they do not have to train to be an Assassin and your going have 50+ bad role-players playing Assassins on your sims. Anyone who don't believe me can come spend a week or two in my camp and see the trash that comes sometimes and wants to be a Killer. The Assassins that DO train should be thanked daily for what we do for the community. I would LOL at any of the guys I turned away if they learned they did not have to train to play Assassin and came to your sims as an Assassin. I give them one hour before you would ban them.


Also let me add something here about belonging to certain groups. The group I own/maintain I know each assassin it in. They must be active assassians and must role-play being one, kills ect. They must conduct themselves in a adult manner IC and OOC. I have kicked assassins for acting stupid in my group. Again in 4 years there been 0 compaints from any BC in my group. Any in the cpmmunity who knows a BC is in my group or has trained under me can breath a sigh of relief on how that Assassin is going to behave on there sim.

Despite what you are touting as a sterling reputation what you should ask yourself is how much RP have I denied others based on my own personal standards. I think any experienced player of any caste if allowed to select the 14 of 74 players they believe have researched the genre or show a willingness to do so would have similar success. This has nothing to do with the rules in place. It may speak to the need for standards in RP that is sorely lacking in SL Gor but thats about it.

If an assassin is a poor role player who is uneducated in the books then it will show up in IC RP and should be dealt with in IC RP. Those that do well at it will have success in their RP and those that do not will fail. It is the same for any other role in Gor. You don't need special rules to enforce this principle. I also don't see that those 50 players you rejected will somehow go out and reap havoc with a good set of sim wide rules that respect all players.

As a sim owner I cared about one thing...Did you follow the rules of the sim. Global rules for all players have the same effect as "specialized" BC rules. In terms of moderation of BC kills that is an OOC task that should have no bearing on an IC role. It's just like saying a Chief Builder needs to be able to put down prims in order to hold that position.

And Today:

Xaz Elephas « Today at 16:55:01 »
  That very thing is just what needs to happen. With some of us that is the new goal. All these groups need to go away. People should be accepted or not on there role-play abilities. I am for training if someone wants to go the route; I am also for someone who can  play the role and just write the training in there back story.

I just have one question. Does that mean you should be banned and called a troll just like all of the people who have been called trolls and banned for saying the same thing based on your obnoxious whining?

[the void]

Funny, right? Basically what I said from day one in response to this.

In no way do I want this to come out personal, because this is a problem many people share. You can't create something to be used as a power or dictate over a group, let alone a caste, and not expect to be held to the very same standards or hold responsibility for what has been created as a result.