Alecks wrote:There has to be a serious way to portray a an absurd character!
Let's say I take my panther girl to the woods with a sword tied to her belt... Imagine the drama! Im's all over questioning the sword! OMG! A sword on a panther!
Sadly, yes. It is interesting how panther girls enslave men in the forests, from huntsmen over outlaws to warriors, but leave their weapons aside. Would they sell the weapons? Saying "yes" would but be an assumption as there is nothing said about it. The quotes about panther girl weaponry place them in a very wilderness based spot: Spear, club, bow, sleenknife, all things you do not necessarily need iron for.
The drama people make when it comes to swords on panther girls though is not because it might be unauthentic or not appearing in the books - which is placed as fake reason given a panther girl can well take a sword from an enslaved man - it is because the sword is the by margin most powerfull melee weapon and people fear to lose their advantages and possibly lose a fight.
Alecks wrote:...Now what I do with the sword counts... it's heavy... I'm female and dratz nobody trained me in fencing. So I would lose and the sword would have not served me.
The point that makes the sword less usefull than e.g. the spear IC is that you are - as you say - not trained in its usage. It is NOT the physical strength. There are examples ranging from FW to Kajirae using swords and partly even with devasting consequences on the one they aim at.
Aside of that: Least people are really professionally trained to fight with swords, namely Caste Warriors, Caste Guards, Caste Assassins I think, the rest has learned it, if at all, when having their - surely as inprofficient - father, brother or comrade spar with them and show them some basic tricks.
Panther girls were not born knowing to fight with the spear either, so that profficiency is either also rather low - as for everyone else but the mentioned pros - or gained by months and years of hunting and sparring in the woods. So from a sheer logic perspective, I can see swords, conquered swords, to be in the hands of some panther girls who trained with them as they trained with the spear. That though shall not mean that every panther girl uses them, due to not all being able to find one nor all being as endurant and patient as to train with them sufficiently.
Alecks wrote:My panther becomes absurd when that sword becomes a weapon which can be used at the same level of men or the same precision of a dagger. That's when I should be questioned. To put it simply... I ruin the laws of physics within Gor (ok that sounds ridiculoud but help me out here).
Absurd surely not, an exception to the most common rather. Aside of that, a FW or Kajira that might become a panther girl at some point, is not trained in dagger fighting either, it is as well more likely a brawling style, hackyslash.
The physics of Gor have nothing to do with women using or not using a sword, they can carry it, they can wield it, they just have never been trained in its usage, did not learn the feints and tricky attack ways, so they neither built the agility nor memorized the technics to use it well, i.e. it is a cultural limit, less a physical one.
Alecks wrote:I honestly think that going from a psychian with a sword to a psychian that goes rampage instead of following his job first is another thing... and like most absurdities in Gor and rp venues should be tested before mocking.
I tend to agree if I understand this last right. I see it personally as mostly, yet not entirely, parallel to panther girls and sword usage.
People in SL Gor use swords for its GM battle superiority if the bow does not cut it.
In a real Gor though, the range of people using swords would be very limited, much more the number of people actually trained in it - and I mean really trained. A peasant father is just not as good a teacher as a warrior cylinder trainer, an outlaw learning basics by his comrades between their waylaying or fleeing. The same would be the physician daddy that trains his son in medications and surgery technics, relaying on the city to be defended by the warriors, would, if fighting with a sword, surely use it as clumsily, as brawlstyle, like a self trained panther girl. Scribes, builders and such as well, slavers might work wonders with the whips, but when it comes to sword or spear they might be working them quite rudimentary. Depending on caste you have single sided advantages though, a smith is strong enough maybe to break a non-warrior defenseblock, a physician with his knowledge about anatomics might, once he knows how to stab somewhat stable, be a dangerous foe until you force him into slashing-only mode.
Just like on earth, if you buy a gun or a rifle because you consider owning one fun or catering your security needs does not make you wild west highnoon hero or a US marines sniper. And if I had to chose, I would not take the nunchacku (sp?) but the dough roll or baseball bat to fend off that burglar as the burglar would have surely a laugh seeing me devaste myself with the nunchacku, yet even the baseball bat I could not use as filigrane as a Bo-Do master (staff fighter) or even only a baseball pro player.
Anyways, the biggest problem for weapon usage is the system we use: GM, and its unbalanced weaponry, its non-existing differentiation between roles, and the rather poor implementation of the combat mode as well as hit-results.
Means: A physician can kill a warrior with one scalpell stab given the right situation (cut a central veine, cut a nerve or tendon...).
If we had a system that displays roles and their weapons plus their profficiency correctly, the entire battle in SL Gor would look different. People would be carefull to approach a peasant with his staff and long bow, panther girl forests would be far more dangerous, the Taharian man would eventually need his Kaiila to hope to be a match for a warrior in melee battle and people facing those huge strong brutes from torvaldslands would hope to be as agile as one from the entertainer caste to evade those headflipping axeswings.
But then we come to the hero'n'slave representation of Gor in SL. Near to every warrior can do field medics to an extend that safes every life - especially if they only pour some (add: magical "PK") salve on a wound and bandage it, but when a physican states he accompanies the warfare of his homestone's warriors frequently and thus is able to defend his hide with a sword (like warriors have high combat, mediocre healing, the physician mediocre combat, high healing skills), it become questionable for people. Understandable?
No if looking at the anyways reduced realism of SL that, if applying some realism, discriminates certain roles far stronger than others.
Yes, as people want to feel the world and culture of Gor immersively, and if 90% of the players of each role are the exception to the rule and culture, it just cannot happen.