A Physician Did what???

A physician of Gor would most likely.... (Choose up to two)

.. do his job; which is healing.
9
18%
.. do his job; which is healing.
9
18%
... carry a sword and rape and plunder.
1
2%
... carry a sword and rape and plunder.
1
2%
... do whatever he wanted.
11
22%
... do whatever he wanted.
11
22%
... steal muffins at the bakery
4
8%
... steal muffins at the bakery
4
8%
 
Total votes: 50
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Re: A Physician Did what???

Postby Consuelo » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:43 pm

Kaitlin wrote:
Hawt Sommer wrote:
Kaitlin wrote: There is a huge difference in a MAN albeit a physician carrying a sword and a panther girl. As for the travel aspect you can find them in the books as far north as Torvaldsand and as far south as Schendi. I'm struggling to see what the issue is here.


A physician acting like a warrior maybe?

:lol:


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Re: A Physician Did what???

Postby Dren Bernard » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:40 pm

We all know that phsicians are morally the most outstanding members of our Gorean comunities. I mean look at the new Chief in Imperial Ar for one! A man with an untarnished reputation for.. eh.... hmm yes well.

Let me put it this way:

Physicians are people too. They will have their ideosyncrasies and personalities. Thank the PKs! By the books what we know of the personalities of the physicians is this:

On the first day the physician, a quiet man in the green garments of his caste, examined me, thoroughly.
(Captive of Gor)


There was also a man in the green of the Caste of Physicians, standing at one side, writing notes on a slip of record paper. He was a large man, smooth-shaven.
(Assassin of Gor)


That means that a physician in JN's eyes was ususally quiet and clean shaven. I am sure you are reassured most female physicians need to comply with this as well, a mo would not do! The being quiet is a whole other matter!

But yes if you feel a physician goes too far outside your perception of what his or her role depiciton should be to be credible..... take action!

That is hire a "convincer" dressed in black or vote with your feet and move away.
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Re: A Physician Did what???

Postby Charlotte » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:56 am

I remember for the longest time the huge view that Physicians were unarmed non-combatants. That they wouldn't raise a finger to save even their own patient, that a whole host of sims would have it in their laws that Physicians couldn't bear arms.

I know I enforced this rule often.

Then I read a bit more of the books.

There is absolutely nothing in the books that says (or even leads to believing) that Physicians wouldn't carry weapons to defend themselves, wouldn't fight for the defence of their patient, wouldn't gladly use their tools of the trade (scalpel, for example, or bed pan) to gain the upper hand.

So the books don't answer our problem, and now external knowledge comes in to play.
Many who played a char. in the physicians caste used the Hippocratic oath as a guide (Ah here's our answer to why no defence and weapons and non-combatant status!). Except the Hippocratic oath is ... well not gorean, and never mentioned in the books.

A separate logic is that people wouldn't have the time to learn the work of a Physician AND learn how to be a good swordfighter.
Except that Goreans can live hundreds of years at full health, so yeah, we had the time.


All in all, there's really no reason a Physician wouldn't rape/pillage/plunder. As a *gorean* and not an out-caste he'd never do it to his own home stone (nor an allied home stone, probably) but beyond that ?
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Re: A Physician Did what???

Postby Dren Bernard » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:00 am

:thumbup:
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Re: A Physician Did what???

Postby Charlotte » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:09 am

Vylixan wrote:Never underestimate the power of the angry mod even if you are a trained fighter.



Brilliant typo, Vylixan! Can I use this as my siggie!?

"I don't care if your a trained fighter, I'm the mod of this forum and you won't spam like that! :fryingpan:"


Oh and can I add to the main question:

Learning how to wield a sword, even well, doesn't make one competition to Warrior caste.
That's like I can be a really fast runner, train every day, but it doesn't make me an olympian.
Or I can dress and behave just like spanish royalty, doesn't mean I am.
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Re: A Physician Did what???

Postby Vylixan » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:23 am

Charlotte wrote:
Vylixan wrote:Never underestimate the power of the angry mod even if you are a trained fighter.



Brilliant typo, Vylixan! Can I use this as my siggie!?

"I don't care if your a trained fighter, I'm the mod of this forum and you won't spam like that! :fryingpan:"

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Re: A Physician Did what???

Postby Hawt Sommer » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:11 am

Scribe Applying for the Redcaste:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMOmB1q8W4Y
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Re: A Physician Did what???

Postby Kaiila Mahoney » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:57 pm

Came in the forums to add to the RFL post but saw this. Hawt I believe if that's the mans RP it's really up to the people that role play with him. I think each of us have visions of how a person of caste would act. I agree there is no mention of where a physician couldn't use a weapon and that physician's had codes just never specifically what they were. I also however never read any incident of a physician that did fight or defend, even when their work and infirmaries were destroyed. Like in Dren's quotes. I never saw a description of a physician carrying a weapon. Maybe I am wrong. I do like these quote on caste.

To most Goreans it would be unthinkable to alter caste. He is generally too proud of his caste and it is too much a part of him for him to think in such terms. It is, too, recognized that all, or most, of the castes perform necessary, commendable or useful functions. The Leatherworker, accordingly, does not spend much time envying the Metalworker, or the Metalworker the Leatherworker, or either the Clothworker, and so on. All need sandals and wallets, and clothes, and metal tools. Each does, however, tend to think of his own caste as something special, and, somehow, I suspect, as being perhaps a little bit preferable to the others. Most Goreans are quite content with their castes; this is probably a function of caste pride. I have little doubt but what the caste structure contributes considerably to the stability of Gorean society. Among other things it reduces competitive chaos, social and economic, and prevents the draining of intelligence and ambition into a small number of envied, prestigious occupationsFighting Slave of Gor pg(s) 209-211


and these on codes.. to say physicians did have them..

"Further, members of castes such as the Physicians and Builders use the fairs for the dissemination of information and techniques among Caste Brothers, as is prescribed in their codes in spite of the fact that their respective cities may be hostile. And as might be expected members of the Caste of Scribes gather here to enter into dispute and examine and trade manuscripts." — Priest Kings, page 9.

"The ethical teachings of Gor, which are independent of the claims and propositions of the Initiates, amount to little more than the Caste Codes - collections of sayings whose origins are lost in antiquity. I was specially drilled in the Code of the Warrior Caste." — Tarnsman of Gor, pages 40-41


I like that word "ethical" curious what that means in Gor. But it does mention they were lost in antiquity...

There are many other quotes on caste pride. It doesn't mean though someone cannot play it darker or pushing the limits of what would be deemed ethical. I am sure there were bad physicians as there were in any caste. So all power to him. I also think that he needs to understand he is susceptible to being punished for his unethical behavior. Play it bad but be prepared to pay the consequences in character.

Attacking him to say he is not playing a physician by the books is just OOC bantering and should be eliminated from rp. Keep it fun and have fun teaching him a lesson in character.

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Re: A Physician Did what???

Postby Hawt Sommer » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:55 pm

Kaiila Mahoney wrote:Attacking him to say he is not playing a physician by the books is just OOC bantering and should be eliminated from rp. Keep it fun and have fun teaching him a lesson in character.


I wasn't attacking him OOC'ly, just poking a little fun. But certain castes did have certain behaviors associated to them- Didn't they? This is obvious I thought. You didn't have pirate bandit physicians. (at least that I know of, haven't read the last four books.. could be possible)

I am a big advocate for anyone being able to play anything that they want. I come from a background of GE where roller-skates, cigarettes and bubble gum were prevalent.

Your average Gorean "In Character"would snicker at the man and say. "You sure you want to heal people?" Caste was by birth but exceptions to all rules were made.

Here we go again with Hawt is mean for pointing out something that a Gorean would find silly and out of sorts:

If you look at my poll you will see my question:
"What would a physician normally do?" More than 1/2 the people said "Anything but his job"

Now of course I'm sure some people clicked buttons just for fun.. because it's just fun to click at random. ;)

I knew that Gorean caste lines, though largely following birth, were not inflexible, and that a man who did not care for his caste might be allowed to change caste, if approved by the High Council of his city, an approval usually contingent on his qualifications for the work of another caste and the willingness of the members of the new caste to accept him as a Caste Brother. ~Priest-Kings of Gor, chapter 9, pg 71


I tend to like conformity and realism in my Roleplay environment, You applaud the clown and then give him a pay raise- soon you will have a circus full of nothing but clowns.
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Re: A Physician Did what???

Postby All Sunday » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:59 pm

There has to be a serious way to portray a an absurd character!

Let's say I take my panther girl to the woods with a sword tied to her belt... Imagine the drama! Im's all over questioning the sword! OMG! A sword on a panther!

So before iming me I would hope people would rp it and see what I'm doing with a sword. Maybe it's a treasure I found somewhere from a victim... maybe I am mocking the rarius as it wouldn't be too odd for a panther who could allow herself that.

Now what I do with the sword counts... it's heavy... I'm female and dratz nobody trained me in fencing. So I would lose and the sword would have not served me.


My panther becomes absurd when that sword becomes a weapon which can be used at the same level of men or the same precision of a dagger. That's when I should be questioned. To put it simply... I ruin the laws of physics within Gor (ok that sounds ridiculoud but help me out here).

I honestly think that going from a psychian with a sword to a psychian that goes rampage instead of following his job first is another thing... and like most absurdities in Gor and rp venues should be tested before mocking.

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