InWorldz - A new hope?

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InWorldz - A new hope?

Postby Cassie » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:29 am

Following a blogger she showed some information about something that looked like SL: http://inworldz.com/

I registered and downloaded the viewer and... it's actually SL just less expensive.
Well uploads are free and sims are 45.000 for 75$ a month. Also they are inserting mesh and mesh deformer.

You can link your avatar's Linden and use them also in Inworld through what would seem their Marketplace inBiz https://shop.theinbiz.com/index.php

So far I found a sim with Redgrave and VISTA but the same blogger has listed a 2 sim combination of SL creators who are setting up their SL creations.

For more info check her blog: http://strawberrysingh.com/

What you people think? Could be a new era? The kick in the nuts for Linden Labs to lower their sim costs?
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Re: InWorldz - A new hope?

Postby Anarch Allegiere » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:40 am

These things come along every once in a while.

Truth is that most people don't want to go to a place where they've to buy everything new again, to refill their inventory. 99,9% of the people don't really care that the sim owners might have to pay much less in these new platforms, but much more that they need to spend money on getting new avatars again.

Most often too then there is the problem of not enough content being transferred over. Especially gorean stuff doesn't seem to come over, mostly just urbanwear products.

Empty sims...

I think there are many that try to copy the success of Second Life, but there is this saying in the business world: "Copies never are as good as the original."
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Re: InWorldz - A new hope?

Postby Architeuthis » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:10 am

InWorldz, OS Grid, Kitely etc. are all different grids. It is not the same as SL though it's close. The physics engine, for example, is different, so scripts written for SL may not work in that environment. Some grids allow you to take your items to other grids (SL does not). The pricing certainly is attractive compared to SL. In Kitely for example you can get a 16 sim mega region with 1.6 million prims for $100 USD per month. Or you could host sims on your PC for free and connect them to OS Grid. The problems currently are the lack of traffic and the lack of quality items for gamers to use (clothing etc) compared to SL. Although it's just a matter of time before the other grids catch up. $300 USD per month for a sim in SL is outrageous in today's marketplace.
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Re: InWorldz - A new hope?

Postby Hawt Sommer » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:55 am

"The Gorean Grid"


Just say "No"

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Re: InWorldz - A new hope?

Postby Architeuthis » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:05 am

There was a grid solely dedicated to Gor but it folded. The technology wasn't in place to support it at the time (no GM, no cool clothes, no collars, no AO, no Tarns, no Primus/LR/EZ = no Gor). Perhaps once the tech catches up things will be different as the price of sims on other grids is certainly low enough where it would mitigate the financial risk.
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Re: InWorldz - A new hope?

Postby Elle Couerblanc » Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:15 pm

At least once a year a group of designers get together and announce "Let's go to Inworldz everybody!" Then a few months later then give up on the venture and move on.

Basically it will be the same content they offer in SL. The question remains, though, will they have the traffic to justify the cost. It looks nice and inexpensive, but if people aren't buying it's not worth it.

Although, I do plan on checking it out to see what they are up too. I have an account there already during one grand announcement a couple years back.
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Re: InWorldz - A new hope?

Postby Elle Couerblanc » Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:55 pm

Kaitlin wrote:
Elle Couerblanc wrote:At least once a year a group of designers get together and announce "Let's go to Inworldz everybody!" Then a few months later then give up on the venture and move on.

Basically it will be the same content they offer in SL. The question remains, though, will they have the traffic to justify the cost. It looks nice and inexpensive, but if people aren't buying it's not worth it.

Although, I do plan on checking it out to see what they are up too. I have an account there already during one grand announcement a couple years back.


Given the similarities of the technology and the lower cost of a sim spread over a series of creators why would there be a significant cost? I also think that mesh may be a game changer because users are already replacing portions of their inventory. Maybe I'm missing some $$ in the equation.


I didn't say significant. I said a cost - time, money for rent/tier, cost of uploads etc. Hell, even if it costs only 5 bucks a month to rent but takes up hours of my time to do what I need to do to make the store viable, that to me is a cost. If they aren't getting the return on their investment why should they stay? Bottom line - they need people there actively buying their products to justify the reason for being there.

Edited to add: I just found out it that it will be a bit before the sims open. Apparently there are some issues with scripting in terms of the differences between SL and Inworldz.
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Re: InWorldz - A new hope?

Postby Elle Couerblanc » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:11 pm

Kaitlin wrote:
Elle Couerblanc wrote:If they aren't getting the return on their investment why should they stay? Bottom line - they need people there actively buying their products to justify the reason for being there.


Long term I agree. Short term, I can see an opportunity and since the cost isn't significant assuming the technology glitches are minimal then I don't think you need a slew of players first. Content and a viable platform will attract players. It is a chicken and egg kind of thing and those that get in early will benefit. The "lets wait and see" type won't see the same returns.


What I see happening is the creators forgetting about the stores they have there and not updating them if they don't have active buyers - kind of like the satellite shops they have on shopping sims etc. OR what always seems to kill it for the fashionistas is some sort drama - event drama, so and so hurt my feelings drama and a group leaves that way.
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Re: InWorldz - A new hope?

Postby Architeuthis » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:13 pm

InWorldz uses Bullet physics whereas SL uses Havok. So things don't behave exactly the same between the two platforms. I don't know how difficult making one work with the other is because I don't do scripting.

Mesh is another story--if you have the rig in Maya, Blender etc. you can move it anywhere. With free uploads on mesh etc. it makes it very easy to do so.
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Re: InWorldz - A new hope?

Postby Cassie » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:47 pm

I had a hope about based on the fact that primarily it keeps uploads free so based on the sim cost is would allow an entrance.

The only arrow on it's quiver right now seems Mesh Deformer for the fashion aficionados.
I suppose if the majority of creators moved a good portion base could take into consideration.
Gor is surely not something that can be moved around as easily, I believe that strongly.

While fashion whores and designer see new possibilities and do look a sort of caring way to the new inventory I know rpers... goreans mostly, would see a migration as a hindrance. I think the gorean community has some of the oldest people and change ain't never taken lightly.

But who knows... if the community is big enough to start, if they keep prices lower over there one could look at it seriously.
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