POLL: Woody Allen is.....

Woody Allen is... (Choose up to 2)

A Child molester
5
23%
A Child molester
5
23%
A Disgusting human being
2
9%
A Disgusting human being
2
9%
My Child Molesting hero / actor/ producer
2
9%
My Child Molesting hero / actor/ producer
2
9%
Poor old man that is just a little creepy
2
9%
Poor old man that is just a little creepy
2
9%
Other (Because I want to got blah blah blah)
0
No votes
Other (Because I want to got blah blah blah)
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 22
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Re: POLL: Woody Allen is.....

Postby Elle Couerblanc » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:53 pm

Kaitlin wrote:Sadly there are many people in the same camp as Elle - "guilty until proven innocent". Children and adults lie for a variety of reasons. Child abuse accusations are not immune from this simple fact of human nature. Toss in a custody case, jilted girlfriend and fame and I'm even more skeptical.


I am in this camp when it comes to these types issue because of my past career in child welfare. Not one of the situations I handled involved divorce/custody cases or even made the news. In fact, the bulk of the cases I handled the mother was initially in denial and rejected the accusations of the child - sometimes for years. I still contend the number of situations like the Farrow/Allen one (divorce cases) are nominal compared to what the average Child Welfare/CPS worker or mental health professional deals with on a daily basis in the US. A well trained professional should be able to determine the difference between a child being coached and child speaking about their experiences in their own natural language.
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Re: POLL: Woody Allen is.....

Postby Hawt Sommer » Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:30 pm

Glaucon wrote:Hitler was not sexually abused by his father, as far as anyone alive knows. And back then, it was pretty common for fathers to give their kids beatings. Only one of those kids grew up to become AH.

No, we don't worry about child abuse because we fear it may produce new Hitlers.

Is this you saying Obama was abused as a child as well?


And how do you know Hitler wasn't sexually abused Glaucon? Were you raised in the Hilter household? ;) But really, you don't know if he was or wasn't.. but he really was kind of messed up... bad experience with Jews... homosexuals... something. http://www.nber.org/digest/jan07/w12171.html Using today's research statistics theres a good chance someone played "Trains" with hitler.

As for Obama, I never said he was a sick twisted psychotic leader with genocide on his agenda, Did I?

No.. .Obama is a racially divisive socialist with narcissistic tendencies. He has criminal and terrorist ties and was completely unqualified for the job of president of the United states. He is helping make things worse for this country and because of the media- People have had a very difficult time pulling their heads out of their big, fat, hairy, ignorant, asses about him or because of their white guilt, giving him that B+ for his failures.
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That's my official statement, thanks for asking.

And what does this have to do with Woody Allen? It's the same exact thing... Giving someone a Pass because you fucking like them... It's Bias. It's injustice and because of it, people suffer...
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Re: POLL: Woody Allen is.....

Postby Glaucon » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:49 pm

Hawt Sommer wrote:And how do you know Hitler wasn't sexually abused Glaucon? Were you raised in the Hilter household? ;) But really, you don't know if he was or wasn't..


No, I don't know. Which is why I said 'as far as we know'. It all seems to have to do very little with the Woody Allen case, except maybe that if it had been up to Hitler, Allen would have been 'finally solved'.

And what does this have to do with Woody Allen? It's the same exact thing... Giving someone a Pass because you fucking like them... It's Bias. It's injustice and because of it, people suffer...


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Re: POLL: Woody Allen is.....

Postby Mynerva » Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:54 pm

Kaitlin wrote:
I personally don't have such blind faith in "professionals" who usually have their own bias just as you have indicated so I still leave the door open to Dylan being truthful despite the absence of "certifying" professional. I also completely leave the door open to it being a case of embedded memories/fabricated memories that have taken on a life of their own.

We don't know.


I also do not have that blind faith - and I am one of those professionals.

In the case of false memories - the person him/herself cannot even tell the difference between a real or a false memory. There is no way another person could know by just talking to the person without any corroborating evidence.
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Re: POLL: Woody Allen is.....

Postby Glaucon » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:06 pm

Kaitlin wrote:
Glaucon wrote:Now it seems that child abuse is our collective #1 fear. It is out of whack.


There are also repercussions if we want the strongest teachers in the classroom, male or female. You will find fewer male teachers in secondary education and male teachers are almost non-existent in primary school because of the risk.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-brown/why-so-few-male-teachers-_b_87562.html
Why the downward trend in male teaching? According to Bryan Nelson, founder of MenTeach, a nonprofit organization dedicated to recruiting male teachers, research suggests three key reasons for the shortage of male teachers: low status and pay, the perception that teaching is "women's work," and the fear of accusation of child abuse.

Many men once in the profession say they quit because of worries that innocuous contact with students could be misconstrued, reports the NEA.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/time-to-lead/part-2-the-endangered-male-teacher/article4330079/
The most troubling deterrent men cite is the fear that society - for historical reasons - is suspicious of a man who enjoys working with young children. And a new study from Nipissing, where researchers have delved into the male-teacher shortage, suggests the fear is warranted.

In a recent survey of 223 male elementary teachers in Ontario, nearly 13 per cent reported they had been wrongly accused of inappropriate contact with pupils.



http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/letters/story/2012-08-19/male-teachers-elementary-school/57145422/1
As a lifelong trainer of teachers, I can tell you that in my experience the No. 1 reason men don't go into elementary school teaching is their fear of being labeled as sexual abusers. Many people persist in viewing men as potential sexual predators, and not without some reason.

With more children living in fatherless homes, a male teacher becomes that irresistible father image they crave. What man wants to risk his career and character because a needy child persists in hugging him or saying affectionate things? Female teachers can get by with expressions of affection because they are seen as "motherly." But a male teacher can be under a cloud of suspicion from day one.

Can teachers and parents be re-educated not to be suspicious of male teachers? For this to be achieved, safeguards will be required and training will be needed to reassure men that they will be treated fairly in elementary schools. After all, you don't have to be guilty for your life to be over, only accused.


Sadly there are many people in the same camp as Elle - "guilty until proven innocent". Children and adults lie for a variety of reasons. Child abuse accusations are not immune from this simple fact of human nature. Toss in a custody case, jilted girlfriend and fame and I'm even more skeptical.


A very good post.

It has come to the point that I find even myself being suspicious without any cause. Just a guy walking in the street with a little girl in tow? Is he really her father? Or is he abducting her? A man playing with (presumably) his kids on the beach, tossing them about in the water, the boys screaming in pleasure? Is it 'healthy' or is he 'getting off on it'?

Completely inappropriate, irrational and unwarranted thoughts. But this 'male sexual predator hunting kids'-image is so prevalent in media and conversations, these days, that I can't help thinking them. And it affects how men behave towards other people's children. Things that were once thought to be men 'having fun' with kids, playing with them, being nice to them, teaching them something, amusing them, and so forth can now easily be seen in a different light. What was once clearly innocent might now be thought to be suspicious and pervy. Three Men and a Baby? No way they'd make that movie now.

Society's obsessions with sexual abuse of children may lead some men to avoid children as much as possible.
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Re: POLL: Woody Allen is.....

Postby Hawt Sommer » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:19 pm

and then you have the folks that simply say... "Hey everyone is innocent everywhere because the world is good and everything is perfect in our Unicorn mushroom magic pipe dream" :P Image

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24429762/fbi-rescues-16-juveniles-in-super-bowl-human-trafficking-operation

and then some people open their eyes and innocent people are saved from suffering.

Glaucon, Some like yourself might remember that little girl's face from taking notice and might give the right lead to the authorities when that Amber Alert hits the airwaves. Do they have Amber Alerts in Smurfistan?
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Re: POLL: Woody Allen is.....

Postby Glaucon » Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:35 pm

Hawt Sommer wrote:Glaucon, Some like yourself might remember that little girl's face from taking notice and might give the right lead to the authorities when that Amber Alert hits the airwaves. Do they have Amber Alerts in Smurfistan?


They do.

And while I am going about, being suspicious of every man with a child, trying to remember all their faces, living in my own heroic vigilante world, crusading against child abuse, waiting for that one Amber alert (they are not frequent, in Smurfistan) and the extreeeeeemely slim chance that I might have actually seen the child, I will probably stare at a child's face too long and hard, the father of the mother, also on constant high alert, noting it and reporting me to the very alert authorities as a pedophile predator.

It's a sick mentality. And society is sick with it.
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Re: POLL: Woody Allen is.....

Postby TreatRothschild » Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:01 pm

Hawt Sommer wrote:
Glaucon wrote:Hitler was not sexually abused by his father, as far as anyone alive knows. And back then, it was pretty common for fathers to give their kids beatings. Only one of those kids grew up to become AH.

No, we don't worry about child abuse because we fear it may produce new Hitlers.

Is this you saying Obama was abused as a child as well?


And how do you know Hitler wasn't sexually abused Glaucon? Were you raised in the Hilter household? ;) But really, you don't know if he was or wasn't.. but he really was kind of messed up... bad experience with Jews... homosexuals... something. http://www.nber.org/digest/jan07/w12171.html Using today's research statistics theres a good chance someone played "Trains" with hitler.

As for Obama, I never said he was a sick twisted psychotic leader with genocide on his agenda, Did I?

No.. .Obama is a racially divisive socialist with narcissistic tendencies. He has criminal and terrorist ties and was completely unqualified for the job of president of the United states. He is helping make things worse for this country and because of the media- People have had a very difficult time pulling their heads out of their big, fat, hairy, ignorant, asses about him or because of their white guilt, giving him that B+ for his failures.
Ref:
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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_guilt). Ie Chris Mathews "forgetting Obama was Black for a moment there"


That's my official statement, thanks for asking.

And what does this have to do with Woody Allen? It's the same exact thing... Giving someone a Pass because you fucking like them... It's Bias. It's injustice and because of it, people suffer...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
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Re: POLL: Woody Allen is.....

Postby Oor » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:02 pm

Hawt Sommer wrote:http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24429762/fbi-rescues-16-juveniles-in-super-bowl-human-trafficking-operation

and then some people open their eyes and innocent people are saved from suffering.


16? Or 25?

"Innocent people saved from suffering"? Or "minors who'd run away from home, possibly for good reasons, arrested"?

"Pimps"? Or "Managers of escort agencies that make it easier and safer for sex workers to work"?

"FBI agents" Or "armed thugs looking for headlines who can't be bothered to help underage sex workers and homeless kids when the narrative isn't conducive to good publicity"?

How many of these (now caged, potentially reunited with violent or abusive families) minors are included in the 'some' that were there specifically for SB?



Human trafficking hysteria is a moral panic built upon the lurid, grotesque wanking fantasies of sexually repressed puritans, man-haters and misogynists. And it pays to be very skeptical when you read any trash hack stories about it. Same as anything else.

I don't know if WA is innocent or guilty, and I wouldn't want to make an assumption based on what's available in the media. But for every unicorn mushroom magic pipe dreamer, you have someone gullible enough to suck up a harmful narrative without even a nod to further investigation, in lazy, cack-handed pursuit of a morally superior appearance.
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Re: POLL: Woody Allen is.....

Postby Hawt Sommer » Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:25 am

... those kids were actually nabbed by the FBI, your government. So you may be right about the thug part. I'm glad it wasn't the IRS though or everyone would have been beaten and thrown into a concentration camp or used in crazy scientific experiments.

We have legalized pot, so while we are at it... Perhaps we should legalize child pornography and prostitution- but lets not forget to picket your local Walmart because a kid made that six dollar dress that's hanging on the rack- that's just wrong!

I tend to think that the Adult pimps might not offering those kids a second chance, but you may be right. This may be an honest up and up rehabilitation program for kids that were in abusive homes... All that they have to do is "Play Trains" with Woody Allen for a Fifty and they are on their way to earning their Happy meal at McDonalds and an education about the Adult film industry.

This has nothing to do with moral superiority, this has everything to do with good old common sense... which is you don't exploit children. AND.... If the kid has an abusive home... Don't put the fucking kid back in an abusive home... Derp?

Sorry.. Aint buying this argument Oor. ;)

oh.. and TreatRothschild...

Guess you can't really contribute more than an "overused in forums youtube link" for a rebuttal... so... here's a lazily placed Billy Madison youtube link rebuttal for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfvoFa4phO4

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