Those racist cheese-lovers

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Those racist cheese-lovers

Postby Glaucon » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:46 am

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/10/22/black-pete-racist_n_4140871.html

Apparently, this is currently the #1 political issue in the Netherlands, with the dutch prime-minister defending the practice and the UN investigaging. Sending 'inspectors', even. The dutch WMD's. :o.O:

Btw... this Saint Nicholas is the original 'Santa Claus' (which was based on a mixture of the dutch and English St. Nicholas. Santa Clause in the US seems to have become a fat-bellied bearded dutch sailor, at one point, having lost his catholic bishop's trappings, and sometimes becoming smaller (like an elf) and fatter. In the 19th century, he got some other trappings (sled, reindeer, living on the north pole, elf helpers) through popular poems for children. And, of course, he became really well known when he was adopted by Coca Cola in the early 20th century.

The dutch and Belgian one has his black slaves. But there are other St. Nick's in europe. In some places, he has black-devil helpers. In some places, the Santa's put up fights with each other, scare children and run around trying to squeeze the buttocks of women.

The dutch and belgians now get 'claus' twice. One being the slave-owner, the other being the Americanized Coca Cola one, re-imported back to Europe. So, now they have two of the perverts. :)

Anyway... I am really glad that the UN takes it upon itself to try to intervene in the debate about local customs like these. I am sure it will earn the institution great credibility and love. :facepalm:
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Re: Those racist cheese-lovers

Postby Mynerva » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:12 am

Glaucon wrote:
Anyway... I am really glad that the UN takes it upon itself to try to intervene in the debate about local customs like these. I am sure it will earn the institution great credibility and love. :facepalm:



Yeah, good thing they take on such important issues! :woo: :facepalm: :ohgawd:

Good think I live in an area of Europe where the helper of Nikolaus has a helper that only has dark skin because he is dirty. But then again - it is his helper's job to beat the asses of little children that were bad. So maybe a UN investigation is needed - that kind of behavior could be seen as cruelty to children, even torture! :teehee:
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Re: Those racist cheese-lovers

Postby Anarch Allegiere » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:13 am

It's part of culture, it isn't going anywhere. United Nations is wasting it's time by trying to intervene in things like these.

You just know that somewhere in the UN offices some people are proudly smiling that they managed to pass through an official warning, and that they helped the world by fighting racism. :roll:
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Re: Those racist cheese-lovers

Postby Aphris » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:14 am

The Coca Cola Santa Claus is hardly seen in the Netherlands, in some cities he even will be kicked out.

About the black slaves, these are not slaves but SLAVERS. This is known by every Dutch child. If you are naugthy, the black slaver Zwarte Piet comes, he beats you with a set of sticks or he enslaves you by putting you in a sack and transports you to Spain, which is the land of Evil in Dutch eyes. :mrgreen:
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Re: Those racist cheese-lovers

Postby Anarch Allegiere » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:42 am

It's part of culture. No matter how hard the UN or anyone would try to object to the "black petes", they're not going anywhere.

Edit: Nvm, I'm half asleep. I didn't realize I had already replied....
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Re: Those racist cheese-lovers

Postby Glaucon » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:47 am

Aphris wrote:About the black slaves, these are not slaves but SLAVERS. This is known by every Dutch child. If you are naugthy, the black slaver Zwarte Piet comes, he beats you with a set of sticks or he enslaves you by putting you in a sack and transports you to Spain, which is the land of Evil in Dutch eyes. :mrgreen:


My bad. I guess I failed the dutch-child knowledge test, there. ;)

But then it seems that it all comes together: slaves, slavery, child molestation, child-kidnapping, internation-child-trafficking. Causing diabetes among children with all that candy. Animal abuse (he rides a white horse over roof-tops). And does he even pay import taxes over all those presents he brings?

I think that origin of this 'Black Piet' is disputed. Some say that it originated with a book by a dutch writer written at about 1850, when the dutch still traded in slaves, apparently, and that the 'Black Piet' was of african ethnicity from the start. Others say that it goes back much further and that he wasn't black because of race in earlier times, but black because he was either a chimney sweep (as seems to be the case where Mynerva lives) or because he was a devil (there are places where a variant of this St. Nicholas has 'black devil' helpers or jesters with him, sometimes joined by angels as well). I don't know. Interesting, though.

But it is clear that the cheese-loving dutch are pedofile, child-abusing racists. The UN should pass a resolution. :poke: :wave:
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Postby Hawt Sommer » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:02 pm

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sinterclaus, wooden shoes, pan cakes and PORN! All good things from Holland.

But wha??? Guy in black face and they haven't changed it?? wha??? You do understand people would get shot in america for being racist over that right? :shh:

It does seem like a very little thing to me too... It's like Holland is a gated-community or something.
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Postby Aphris » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:57 pm

Facebook page Anti Zwarte Piet: 7500 likes after few weeks
Facebook page Pro Zwarte Piet: 1.000.000 likes in one day
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Re: Those racist cheese-lovers

Postby Dren Bernard » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:00 pm

This story is fascinating if you like folk-lore. Zwarte Piet is far more than just a young black male slave as depicted by some. There is convincing evidence that his appearance and outfit relate to that: even if Dutch is not your thing, see http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2686/Binnenland/article/detail/3531694/2013/10/23/Geen-twijfel-Zwarte-Piet-stamt-af-van-kindslaven.dhtml if for only the pictures and the year of origin of these pictures.

However for a description what "pieterbaas" (master Piet ?!?) could also stand for read this:
http://www.realmagick.com/7014/how-odin-became-santa-claus-symbolism-and-pagan-origins-of-a-gift-giving-saint/

For kids in Holland Sinterklaas was the archetypical father figure who knew if you had been "good or bad" by the work of his black helpers who gathered information about you all year round not unlike the ravens in the link above.

As often we end up with symbols that we no longer recognise the meaning of. Be that child slave servants OR ravens searching for truth about our behaviour during the year and to be judged by a kind man who knows if you have been good or bad.

Interestingly presents in Holland are accompanied with "surprises" where the true nature of the present is hidden with most creative wrapping (this is the fun element) but most importantly a poem as well where family members would be free to crititise each other over bad habits or behaviour in the past year. A public shaming or forced confessional if you will, however at all times to direct you to improve yourself as a person.

And then there is the coca cola Santa Claus safely without the "darker" side of this folk-lore. Perhaps preferring this Claus over the original Klaas is also a zeitgeist indication: parents who only give and never admonish, leaving us with a generation decidedly more narcissistic than ever before! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/06/science/seeing-narcissists-everywhere.html?_r=0
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Re: Those racist cheese-lovers

Postby Melchior Wardell » Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:26 pm

I can't explain much more ... Dren said it all.

The idea of having this huge discussion about something that is purely folklore while there are problems in this world that are so much more important. :fryingpan:

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