Obamacare, What are your thoughts?

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Re: Obamacare, What are your thoughts?

Postby Mat » Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:47 pm

Glaucon wrote:Well, since it is defined as a tax, now, I guess you are right. Then again, the middle-class will be very likely to get coverage rather than pay this tax. If they decide not to, and suffer as a result, that is on them.

May not have all that much of a choice the middle class is where the cut off will be where the actual squeeze will be and it not be about making a point. They like many times will make to much money to get the stuff free but not enough to really be able to handle the cost without hardship.
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Re: Obamacare, What are your thoughts?

Postby Echo » Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:52 pm

Mat wrote:May not have all that much of a choice the middle class is where the cut off will be where the actual squeeze will be and it not be about making a point. They like many times will make to much money to get the stuff free but not enough to really be able to handle the cost without hardship.


I think you just defined middle. Squeezed at both ends.
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Re: Obamacare, What are your thoughts?

Postby Mat » Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:39 pm

I am glad to see that the Supreme Court will decide if it is constitutional to force companies to provide specific services at no deductible like birth control. Currently it depends on where you live as different appeals courts have decided differently. I personally hope that they find it unconstitutional and deal another blow to this unpopular piece of legislation.
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Re: Obamacare, What are your thoughts?

Postby TreatRothschild » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:46 pm

Yes, because it's much easier to keep women in line if they are pregnant.
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Re: Obamacare, What are your thoughts?

Postby Mat » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:59 pm

TreatRothschild wrote:Yes, because it's much easier to keep women in line if they are pregnant.

yea I forgot that women can not buy their own birth control much as I buy my own condoms, it is all one big conspiracy to keep them barefoot and pregnant. :roll:
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Re: Obamacare, What are your thoughts?

Postby TreatRothschild » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:11 pm

Two things:

1. Female contraception tends to be either chemical or surgical. This means that it takes a doctor to get them birth control. Because you (a male) can buy condoms at 7/11, doesn't mean that a woman has the same avenues open to her.

2. The Court has decided to hear a case that corporations can refuse birth control in their insurance policies because of religious objections. It's an extension of Citizens United, where the Court decided that corporations are people. This one will decide if corporations can have religious objections.
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Re: Obamacare, What are your thoughts?

Postby Leah » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:13 pm

Mat wrote:
TreatRothschild wrote:Yes, because it's much easier to keep women in line if they are pregnant.

yea I forgot that women can not buy their own birth control much as I buy my own condoms, it is all one big conspiracy to keep them barefoot and pregnant. :roll:


If there was some kind of price fixing to control the cost of Birth Control, I'd agree with you. Or maybe even exceptions for when Birth Control is prescribed for reasons other than...well...birth control (which is very common, I myself was prescribed it not for birth control reasons but because of a hormonal imbalance it corrected). But companies that don't cover birth control don't cover it even for other medical reasons.

Which I find amusing anyway. Having a baby costs something like $50,000+ (it can go above $100k if there are any complications). That's a shitton more expensive than paying for birth control that prevents the pregnancy in the first place.
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Re: Obamacare, What are your thoughts?

Postby TreatRothschild » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:17 pm

Leah wrote:
Mat wrote:
TreatRothschild wrote:Yes, because it's much easier to keep women in line if they are pregnant.

yea I forgot that women can not buy their own birth control much as I buy my own condoms, it is all one big conspiracy to keep them barefoot and pregnant. :roll:


If there was some kind of price fixing to control the cost of Birth Control, I'd agree with you. Or maybe even exceptions for when Birth Control is prescribed for reasons other than...well...birth control (which is very common, I myself was prescribed it not for birth control reasons but because of a hormonal imbalance it corrected). But companies that don't cover birth control don't cover it even for other medical reasons.

Which I find amusing anyway. Having a baby costs something like $50,000+ (it can go above $100k if there are any complications). That's a shitton more expensive than paying for birth control that prevents the pregnancy in the first place.

Yeah, that too. :lips:
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Re: Obamacare, What are your thoughts?

Postby Mat » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:21 pm

we shall see to me it is a separation of church and state thing but but we will see what they rule.
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Re: Obamacare, What are your thoughts?

Postby TreatRothschild » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:39 pm

Mat wrote:we shall see to me it is a separation of church and state thing but but we will see what they rule.

You are right, it is also a "Corporations are people, my friend" thing.
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