Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman, Stand Your Ground Law, etc.

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Re: Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman, Stand Your Ground Law, etc.

Postby Ronis Woodward » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:51 am

I only managed to make it through several pages (6 or so I think) of replys, but I noticed a major trend of judging Zimmerman guilty, and assumptions that it was a hate crime.

Well I happen to hold a slightly differnt view of the whole situation. Zimmerman is innocent of manslaughter, and will remain that way untill one key event occurs.

1) His statement, that Trayvon knocked him down and was pummeling his head into the pavement is disproven.

Why is this whole case so simple for me? Because according to the way the stand your ground law is written, the events as given by the only survivor (Zimmerman in this case) is the only story we have to go on. And that story states Zimmerman felt threatened, and he had the right to defend his life, with lethal force at the time the shooting occured (the law will change in the near future if it hasn't already I am sure)

Now, what could change his status to guilty in my mind? The prosecutors have to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Zimmerman lied. They can do this by showing some form of surveilance of the scene...recorded voice from phone calls, videotaped from a bystanders cell phone etc. In my mind, eye witness testimony is never enough without solid physical evidence to prove a person is guilty of a crime, because lets face it...people lie, have bad memories, things happened to fast to register colors, etc, that renders human testimony inaccurate.

The other facts of the case, such as that Zimmerman aproached Trayvon first, they are immaterial for the manslaughter or murder charges, whichever they prefer, because Trayvon also had the option to run, and retreat from the situation, and appears to have instead decided to fight it out.

Finally the issue of Zimmerman carrying a concealed weapon while on citizens watch duty, that is a completely seperate charge from the manslaughter, and therefore if he was carrying illegally, (I believe he was, though my facts may be wrong, and I have not kept current with this whole hoopla) then he should be found guilty of carrying an illegal weapon. Now should he be found guilty of manslaughter, and carrying an illegal weapon, the manslaughter charges could be upgraded, but that is up to Florida criminal law.

Sorry for getting a bit wordy, but I had to at least get that out there. America was founded around innocent till proven guilty, and its hard to prove someone innocent when the entire possible jury pool is contaminated by everyone else already judging him guilty (and lets face it, people dont like to stand up for their beliefs that often anymore, they go with the flow instead)
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Re: Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman, Stand Your Ground Law, etc.

Postby Glaucon » Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:42 am

Good post, well worded position.
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Re: Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman, Stand Your Ground Law, etc.

Postby Mat » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:17 am

He was not carrying illegally. He had every right to carry his weapon according to the law during the time of the event. He may have been in violation of the rules of the community watch but at most that could only carry sanctions from the home owners association/community watch such as removing him from the position something I bet they have done by this point anyways.
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Re: Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman, Stand Your Ground Law, etc.

Postby Ronis Woodward » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:45 am

You are probably correct Mat, as I said hadn't kept up on all the details, so the whole sections of my post about carrying illegally can be removed if he was legally carrying.
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Re: Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman, Stand Your Ground Law, etc.

Postby Mat » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:05 am

Stand your ground laws are upheld in Florida, not only upheld but expanded to offer more protections against those who fire warning shots.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/07/21353112-florida-panel-rejects-bill-to-repeal-stand-your-ground?lite

I am glad that there was no knee jerk reaction after the incident.
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