Torrid Streeter wrote:In a discussion with Cortez the other day we talked about submission and slavery. Is it a weak act? AN act of someone who is weak? An act of strength? Are slaves seen as weak?
Jason Susenko wrote:Weakness is when one knows what they *should* do or *should* be, but don't have the courage or the willpower to move towards it. I don't think the act itself of voluntary submission is a matter of weakness or strength, but the decisions motivating it certainly are. Those're the questions to be looking at.
Alice McConnell wrote:ICly, it depends on who you are. If you are a panther, or if you are a free woman, you will see another free woman (or panther) submitting as a clear sign of weakness, for the most part. If you are an ordinary gorean man, you might think of it in the same way.
OOCly, we might think of it differently, but in character, there is no way that submitting will be seen as anything else, except, perhaps, as a 'neutral' thing, by some. One doesn't go "Be strong! Submit!" When you submit on gor, you yield, you give in. And in terms of the things the 'free' have, you will end up with nothing, since you will have stopped being someone that can own something, but have become something owned yourself.
"Man will always be attracted to the woman who reflects the deepest vision of himself, the woman whose surrender permits him to experience - or to fake - a sense of self esteem. The man who is proudly certain of his own value, will want the highest type of woman he can find, the woman he admires, the strongest, the hardest to conquer - because only the possession of a heroine will give him the sense of an achievement, not the possession of a brainless slut." - Ayn Rand
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